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re: Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:44 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:44 am to
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How in the frick do you equate chemically castrating s 7 year old with tattooed eyeliner on a 16 year old?

Jesus fricking christ
I do not. I see them as two widely-separated points on a spectrum, and we are analyzing that spectrum. Over your head, Mr. Furious?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:44 am to
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Preventing child abuse is hating limited government now.

Even Hank doesn't believe that bull shite.

He's just trying to play a game of reverse logic by acting like the people who ARE for limited government are somehow violating that principle by not being OK with child abuse.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:45 am to
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I do not. I see them as two widely-separated points on a spectrum, and we are analyzing that spectrum. Over your head, Mr. Furious?

It ain't no accident that you said "16 year old".

Because you knew your example would have fallen totally flat if you'd said "7 year old wants to tattoo eyeliner.......".......
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:45 am to
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A 16 year old boy wants to take possession of the .22 rifle his dad had been gifted from his father when he was 16 - and his grandfather before him. And he wants to go squirrel hunting behind his grandfather's homestead home.

Should the state intervene??
No. Perhaps you can explain the relevance of your question?
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:46 am to
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we are analyzing that spectrum


Actually, we really aren't. You may be, but nobody else is. This is about changing a 7 year old's gender, not your 16 year old daughter getting permanent eyeliner.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:47 am to
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Actually, we really aren't. You may be, but nobody else is. This is about changing a 7 year old's gender, not your 16 year old daughter getting permanent eyeliner.

Well. And Hank thought he was being slick by comparing it to a 16 year old.

Because he knows that if he'd said 7 year old wants tattoo eyeliner, his stupid comparison falls flat.

And THAT my friend is what a hack would do
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28540 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:47 am to
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You really hate limited government.



"Limited" means that you do cede them some authority. It's reasonable to place the prevention of the torture and mutilation of a seven year old within the sphere of government authority.


Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11959 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:48 am to
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He's just trying to play a game of reverse logic by acting like the people who ARE for limited government are somehow violating that principle by not being OK with child abuse.



It's my favorite argument against conservatives. We all know he has a subjective value for life so he would also argue that aborting children is okay because the state shouldn't intervene to stop the death of a child.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:48 am to
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You really hate limited government.



Tina Fey eye roll
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:48 am to
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"Limited" means that you do cede them some authority. It's reasonable to place the prevention of the torture and mutilation of a seven year old within the sphere of government authority.



Especially something that HAS BEEN STUDIED EXTENSIVELY and found to basically go away at puberty in more than 98% of all cases.

Basically, transitioning a child pre-puberty leaves you with a 98% chance you just fricked them for life.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:49 am to
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Actually, we really aren't.


Exactly, hankbro is having a spirited discussion with himself about high school girls liposuction and boob jobs, while we try to keep him on topic regarding the prevention of emotional sex abuse of a 6yo (now 7 year old) boy by his lunatic mother.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:51 am to
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Why change the age (for the eyeliner hypo)? Do it to a 7 year old!
Because all of these questions arise on a spectrum. It is helpful to find the points on the spectrum where there is near unanimity and to then seek the point at which that unanimity dissolves.

I suspect that there is near unanimity in opposition to the prospect of taking a healthy male newborn and starting medical transition immediate post-birth. When and why does THAT unanimity dissolve?

The poster to whom I replied said something which suggested that he would prohibit permanent eyeliner (with parental consent) to ALL minors. I was testing his hypothesis.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28135 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:51 am to
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I suppose that my view comes down to the common law meanings of the terms assault and battery (“offensive touching”), which are quite consistent with a statutory prohibition against CC.

Ir is difficult to imagine any adult female who would NOT consider CC to be an “offensive touching” upon her person, while the booming elective surgery and tattoo markets clearly indicate that adults do not have the same view of rhinoplasty or liposuction.


Then I'm not sure why you mentioned legitimate medical purpose, as you're basing your opinion on what you would consider "offensive touching". I would imagine a small child subjected to a tattoo gun would consider it offensive as hell.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28141 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:53 am to
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Honestly all anyone needs to see is the video of the 3 year old James stating his mother is telling him he's a girl and putting nail polish and dresses on him, to realize this was an obvious brainwashing job.


This, its clear his mother has been pushing this for quite some time.

Luna is an appropriate name as the best word to describe this entire situation is lunacy.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:53 am to
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experience tells me that the father testified to all of this, with no corroboration from any other witness.
There's a video of James at 3 years old admitting to the world that mommy is pulling the strings, you dipshit.

Here

CLEARLY this means she was brainwashing the child way before the child could possibly even understand WTF any of his actions or feelings meant. Certainly way before a point an adult should consciously take the actions and insistences of a child serious and turn them into a life-altering mandate.

You can't possibly think a parent should let a child make decisions at age 2 or 3.

And you can't possibly think a child is capable of making a decision like this at age 2 or 3.

She had a "comming out party" for him at age 5, where she changed his name to Luna, changed his pronouns, enrolled him into school as a girl, and effectively permanently changed his gender.

AT AGE 5!

So there's only ONE possible deduction, and that's the mother manufactured it all. These were all her choices and only her choices.


Stop defending this shite.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:55 am to
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A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it? A rhinoplasty?
Permanent eyeliner is child abuse? Fixing someone's nose is child abuse?
Unless you are even dumber than I have long-suspected, you should have noticed that I was saying exactly the opposite.
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Next you're going to tell me the state should intervene when parents get braces for their child.
Not at all.

A parent should have the right to make the decision as to whether their child is just fine with crooked teeth or whether the parent will put the child in braces.

Let’s see if you understand the analogy now.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:55 am to
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Because all of these questions arise on a spectrum. It is helpful to find the points on the spectrum where there is near unanimity and to then seek the point at which that unanimity dissolves.


Let me translate for you.

You knew that making the comparison equal would die on arrival, so, you fudged.

Don't come up in here and try to talk your way around pretending I'm too stupid to see what you did.

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I suspect that there is near unanimity in opposition to the prospect of taking a healthy male newborn and starting medical transition immediate post-birth. When and why does THAT unanimity dissolve?

Welp, I'll bet that it dissolves AT LEAST as soon as it would for getting that kid permanent eyeliner. WHICH IS WHY you shifted the age. Nice try dude. No one in here is that obtuse.

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The poster to whom I replied said something which suggested that he would prohibit permanent eyeliner (with parental consent) to ALL minors. I was testing his hypothesis.

Nah. You're just selecting out portions of posts that you think you can work with in your interference game while ignoring problematic portions(or simply COMPLETELY RE-FRAMING THEM).

This isn't new. You didn't invent it. I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28141 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:55 am to
Uh, yea, but, uh, why should we allow the state to bar a parent from chemically castrat… err... allow a medical procedure be done to their child? We don't want to live in a nanny state!

/s
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:56 am to
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There's a video of James at 3 years old admitting to the world that mommy is pulling the strings, you dipshit.

Which, frankly, Hank didn't need video to KNOW.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:57 am to
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Stop defending this shite.


He HAS to defend it

While claiming he isn't.

This particular subject is a fricking DISEASE politically for the left.

And, if you can bank on one things.........it's that Hank runs interference in ALL threads that are political quagmires for liberals.
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