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Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:50 pm to Stingray
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American freedom is a sick joke
somewhere along the line it went from you're free to make you're own decisions but you're not free from the consequences to the government imposes fabricated consequences to force you to make a decision they agree with.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:50 pm to boosiebadazz
So it's legal for an employee to ask literally anything of his employees because people are free to leave the job?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:51 pm to udtiger
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fire someone for an illegal reason.
Agreed. Race, sex, gender, the federally-protected ones. But nothing about vax status.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:51 pm to DotBling
As I've said, those rights were tragically ceded with rulings favoring random drug tests which some here applauded years ago.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:51 pm to boosiebadazz
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You don’t have a vested property interest in your job in an at-will state.
Can at will employers hold you below 2000 calories a day?
Can they require you to drink 6 beers a day?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:52 pm to Stingray
I can mandate all my employees wear purple thongs every day or they’re fired. I can mandate a lot of things as an employer in control of my workplace.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:53 pm to boosiebadazz
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It’s not mandatory. They are free to refuse the vaccine. They are then free to work somewhere else
So, when every other hospital system imposes the same requirement, can they then sue for collusion?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:53 pm to Stingray
quote:Sounds like the board is pro-union now. Never thought I would see the day.
So it's legal for an employee to ask literally anything of his employees because people are free to leave the job?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:54 pm to boosiebadazz
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can mandate all my employees wear purple thongs every day or they’re fired. I can mandate a lot of things as an employer in control of my workplace.
Your argument just doesn't hold water. There's some things you can ask of employees and there's something you can. Asking them to receive medical treatment is one thing you can't. At least in a free society.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Sounds like the board is pro-union now. Never thought I would see the day.
Seem like a good time to collectively bargain.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:55 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:As I've said, those rights were tragically ceded with rulings favoring random drug tests which some here applauded years ago.
I can mandate all my employees wear purple thongs every day or they’re fired. I can mandate a lot of things as an employer in control of my workplace.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:55 pm to GumboPot
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Can at will employers hold you below 2000 calories a day?
Can they require you to drink 6 beers a day?
They can say don’t eat over 2000 calories or you’re fired or drink 6 beers or you’re fired.
Yes. You don’t have a vested interest in your job absent a contract or civil service.
This is the end result of roughshod capitulation to capital and business at the expense of workers and labor. Bet you wish you had a Union to protect you right about now.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Sounds like the board is pro-union now. Never thought I would see the day.
I consider Union to be an option of last resort in a system of collusion between all competitors and the government in which there's actually no competition.
But a union is just another form of tyranny you sign up for.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:56 pm to Stingray
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There's some things you can ask of employees and there's something you can. Asking them to receive medical treatment is one thing you can't. At least in a free society.
Yeah, it seems like the choice between a job and medical treatment is crossing the line especially when you were already on the job and the line shifted to make you receive medical treatment while on the job. The medical treatment was never part of the original deal.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:56 pm to udtiger
Collusion is an anti-consumer thing. These are employees. That one may get tossed on… No standing 
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:57 pm to DotBling
This seems like a very straightforward outcome. In the absence of a specific violation of law, private employers can set their own work rules.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:57 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:...and why don't we??
Bet you wish you had a Union to protect you right about now.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:57 pm to boosiebadazz
People file frivolous lawsuits all the damn time looking for a cheap score. I’ve only heard the phrase “no standing” used infrequently for decades. Now, all of a sudden, not one swinging dick in America has standing anymore. And it has to do with medical tyranny, not just trying to make a quick buck.
I sincerely hope enough employees of that hospital walk out and call the administration’s bluff to force an about-face.
I sincerely hope enough employees of that hospital walk out and call the administration’s bluff to force an about-face.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:57 pm to boosiebadazz
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It’s not mandatory. They are free to refuse the vaccine
coercion is not freedom. the govt is fabricating unnecessary consequences to encourage people to reach the "right" conclusion. if someone held a gun to your head and said they'd shoot you if you didn't stop being a dumbass would that be freedom? you can't stop being a dumbass anymore than people can just give up their means for providing for their families.
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