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re: Judge gives DOJ 5 days to respond to request to unseal Trump raid search warrant
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:42 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:42 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:I am not "assuming" anything. I am asking a question and readily-admitting that I do not know the answer.
Random lawyer shows up at a search, with no letter of representation and no proof whatsoever that she represents the property owner ... except her assertion that she does so.quote:
You're just assuming this.
quote:Or they showed it to her to get her to stop being a nuisance. Clearly, they did not allow her onto the premises, which is the second part of my question.
Seeing as the FBI did eventually show it to her, I'd say her bonafides checked out.
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:42 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Random lawyer
Trump doesn't have "random lawyers"
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:44 pm to LSUbest
quote:
Yes, I have to.
But they made appointments at the convenience of Killary.
I mean, Jesus, she destroyed all those emails and phones AFTER they were subpoenaed and nothing ever happened.
And in a bit of irony, congress is trying to pass a law regarding destruction of information that will bar someone from holding office. I'd love to see the Hillary Clinton loophole.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:44 pm to shawnlsu
quote:
Trump doesn't have "random lawyers"
exactly, I dont think it's a giant leap of faith to assume that ALL of the intelligence agencies have information on trump and his associates....I think to assume otherwise is to hide behind ignorance.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:46 pm to shawnlsu
quote:Are you really this slow?
Trump doesn't have "random lawyers"
You are a cop, and you are in the process of executing a search warrant. Random person you have never met walks up to you, hands you a business card and asserts that she is counsel for the property owner. She has no documentation to prove that this is true, and no one can reach the property owner to confirm.
Are you required to cooperate with her?
This is a simple question, and it is not remotely political. If you don't know the answer, just don't bother responding.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:52 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Jesus Christ, you are an idiot.
AggieHank86
This isn’t a random person.
This is the former president of the USA.
You truly believe that the FBI is so fricking incompetent that they don’t have dossiers on who the FORMER PRESIDENT’s associates are?
You believe that they wouldn’t have that on hand for when they performed the first ever raid of a former president’s home?
They wouldn’t be prepared for when one of Trump’s lawyers approached them?
If your critical thinking skills are this poor, how the hell are you a lawyer?
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:53 pm to shawnlsu
He has Rudy, Lyn Wood and Sidney Powell on his speed dial.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:57 pm to Scruffy
Scruffy, I am asking for a specific answer to a specific question about criminal procedure. I do NOT do criminal law.
Once we know the answer to the question, we can apply that answer to Trump and to this situation.
But, to answer your question, do I expect some random FBI document specialist to know the name and face of every attorney representing Trump or his business interests in any way in each and every part of the USA? No, I do not.
Once we know the answer to the question, we can apply that answer to Trump and to this situation.
But, to answer your question, do I expect some random FBI document specialist to know the name and face of every attorney representing Trump or his business interests in any way in each and every part of the USA? No, I do not.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:58 pm to AggieHank86
You don’t do anything dumbass
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:59 pm to AggieHank86
quote:So, you believe the person on site running the first ever raid of a former president’s home was some random FBI document specialist?
But, to answer your question, do I expect some random FBI document specialist to know the name and face of every attorney representing Trump or his business interests in any way in each and every part of the USA? No, I do not.
What the frick?
You are actually making the case for the FBI being the most incompetently run organization in history.
Actually think about what you are saying here.
Wray - “Alright, who is running this op?”
FBI Agent - “I think Greg who works documents in storage is who should be point.”
Wray - “Perfect. Also assign Steve from the copy room as legal backup.”
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:00 pm to Mickey Goldmill
They will refuse to comply.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:01 pm to AggieHank86
quote:The FBI isn't required to allow anyone to be in a room or home being searched in a criminal investigation. It doesn't matter if it is Trump himself or Trump's lawyer.
Are you required to cooperate with her?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:04 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
But, to answer your question, do I expect some random FBI document specialist to know the name and face of every attorney representing Trump or his business interests in any way in each and every part of the USA? No, I do not.
Easily verifiable. You don’t have a single client that doesn’t have an engagement letter. Regardless, they ended up showing her the warrant which means they believed she was his attorney. Banning her from observing is super shady.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:04 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
The FBI isn't required to allow anyone to be in a room or home being searched in a criminal investigation. It doesn't matter if it is Trump himself or Trump's lawyer.
Link?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:05 pm to BBONDS25
They also didn’t give a receipt of items taken which is even shadier.
But that’s simply how the FBI functions.
- Hank
But that’s simply how the FBI functions.
- Hank
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:05 pm to Scruffy
quote:OK, let's assume that the top man in the entire FBI was onsite. He has been dealing with a dozen Trump lawyers in DC as related directly to this document issue.
So, you believe the person on site running the first ever raid of a former president’s home was some random FBI document specialist?
Do I expect THAT guy to recognize some random Palm Beach lawyer who is representing Trump on some matter totally unrelated (by her own admission) to the document dispute?
No, I DO NOT.
Trump probably uses a hundred different lawyers scattered all over the country on a thousand different matters. If the FBI has not been dealing with Suzi Q in Palm Beach, they are not likely to be familiar with her.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:05 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
(C) Receipt. The officer executing the warrant must give a copy of the warrant and a receipt for the property taken to the person from whom, or from whose premises, the property was taken or leave a copy of the warrant and receipt at the place where the officer took the property. For a warrant to use remote access to search electronic storage media and seize or copy electronically stored information, the officer must make reasonable efforts to serve a copy of the warrant and receipt on the person whose property was searched or who possessed the information that was seized or copied. Service may be accomplished by any means, including electronic means, reasonably calculated to reach that person.
LINK
Since Trump wasn't there the officer just has to leave a copy of the warrant and a receipt at the premises.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:06 pm to Scruffy
quote:WTF are you babbling about now? I have expressed no opinions as to whether a receipt was provided.
They also didn’t give a receipt of items taken which is even shadier.
Displaced said that there was a receipt for 13 boxes, and I have no reason to dispute that assertion.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:06 pm to Scruffy
I think Hank is operating as a contrarian and using his knowledge to be as contrarian as he can. He knows this is messed up. The real crazies ar McGrath. He thinks attorneys aren’t allowed to be present. Hank knows better and is trying to come up with some plausible contrarian reason
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:08 pm to Decatur
quote:
Since Trump wasn't there the officer just has to leave a copy of the warrant and a receipt at the premises.
Lemme guess. You are cool with this raid? Even thought he source used for the affidavit was proven incorrect.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 7:09 pm
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