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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie

Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:03 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:03 pm to
Uh, no
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:03 pm to
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I explain legal issues without giving a personal opinion.


Nobody asked for the explanation.

And again, you told someone to not be "retarded" on the first page of this thread to begin your explanation. Nothing says "I'm an objective person with objective things to say" like starting off by an explanation with "Don't be retarded"

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MAGA melts because it's not what the echo chamber said.


Again, bringing up the imaginary collective that you battle against. A reverse bandwagon fallacy

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They accuse me of crawfishing due to their own errors.


Never wrong about anything. Narcissism

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Someone just yesterday said I was a "god of trivia" actually (true story).

You don't get that way by just existing.



More narcissism

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Then you get the idiocy we see ITT and others trying to discuss legal issues and reverting to "common sense" when they reach their intellectual/logical limit.



Maybe you just aren't good at explaining legal issues, since you are apparently the only one on the entire board that understands them. Or maybe, you are giving your opinions, and not just explaining issues
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:14 pm to
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Nobody asked for the explanation.


This is a discussion board and many people need it.

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And again, you told someone to not be "retarded" on the first page of this thread to begin your explanation.

Yes, and as I told you earlier, it was a nod to him using the word already. He's a lawyer and knows better than his silly argument to which I used the word

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Nothing says "I'm an objective person with objective things to say" like starting off by an explanation with "Don't be retarded"

Baked into my response was that very point. You just didn't comprehend the bigger picture, I reckon. I explained it to you again above.

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Again, bringing up the imaginary collective that you battle against. A

No its a real thing. And they've referenced it (see all the "15 page thread" comments in this very thread) themselves

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Never wrong about anything.

This is not the thread to say that

I've already admitted to 2 errors in response to just you ITT.

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More narcissism

While the story is true, it was clearly more of a joke in response to your silly question.

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Maybe you just aren't good at explaining legal issues,

See this is where you engage in ad homs and if I respond, I'm a "narcissist"

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since you are apparently the only one on the entire board that understands them.

This isn't true. This board is just infected with NPCs these days, who listen to grifters on social media to form their echoed talking points.

And the intelligent people who see the echo chamber for what it is don't always agree with me. Bunk and I, for example, butt heads over the origination of the conflict in Ukraine.
Posted by Harry Boutte
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:16 pm to
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Maybe you just aren't good at explaining legal issues

I don't know, I just gave a synopsis on he previous page of what I think he's been consistently driving at this whole thread. Unfortunately, there's been no comment.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:20 pm to
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I just gave a synopsis

A very bad one. One could easily call it a straw man

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Unfortunately, there's been no comment.

See above.
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:28 pm to
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A very bad one. One could easily call it a straw man


I think he went out of his way to condense all of the things you said, with no opinion , insinuation, etc.

It did not appear to be an attempt to make you look bad, and seemed good-natured. Reacting this way is why nobody believes you are some mythically objective and intelligent person
Posted by Harry Boutte
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:30 pm to
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a straw man


What did I make up?

What did I even attack?

I just tried to boil it down in simple terms without providing any judgement call.

Have you not said that the president gave a reason for withdrawing SC when he didn't need to? Is it not your contention (and the judge's) that the reason he gave violates the 1st Amendment? Aren't you also arguing that none of what the president claims, nor what the judge addresses, goes beyond the actions taken by the firm during the 2016 campaign? I guess the only conclusion I came to in my post was that the president could have avoided the judgement by simply not giving a reason.

If none of my synopsis is accurate, then you indeed have done a very poor job of explaining your position vis-a-vis the judgement. But I thought, up until now, you've been quite clear and consistent. Now you've just thrown me for a loop.
Posted by Harry Boutte
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:32 pm to
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I think he went out of his way to condense all of the things you said, with no opinion , insinuation, etc.

It did not appear to be an attempt to make you look bad, and seemed good-natured.

Thank you for that, it was indeed my intent.
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Reacting this way is why nobody believes you are some mythically objective and intelligent person

I'm starting to come around to this conclusion.
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:40 pm to
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You just didn't comprehend the bigger picture


That's hilariously ironic

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This is not the thread to say that

I've already admitted to 2 errors in response to just you ITT.


but you are still telling me I don't understand

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See this is where you engage in ad homs and if I respond, I'm a "narcissist"


No, I think you have done a poor job of presenting this legal issue. And when a poster tried to give you an honest synopsis of what they thought you said, you refused to acknowledge it.

Your failure to recognize this is a demonstration of your narcissistic behavior. That's not ad hom, that is just my perspective on your contribution to this thread, which is a trend.
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:45 pm to
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Thank you for that, it was indeed my intent.



The interesting thing is, the way you explained it (which was what I thought his position was as well) is a fair point. It is similar to the concept that in an at-will state, you can be fired for no reason at all. But if a reason is given, it should be a good one, and must be a legal one. I don't think that narrative really plays in this situation, but its at least fair.

But the presentation of that point comes off as rude, condescending and clearly not geared at winning people over. He just wants to fight on the internet. And I guess today I do too.

Posted by hansenthered1
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:46 pm to
Does this mean you can have viewpoints that support Nazis and viewpoints that support radical Islam etc and still hold a security clearance? Remeber, security clearances are not some right you have. The expression of the viewpoints are not being denied. Not having access to secure info is the consequence to those viewpoints. This is due to how they demonstrate a lack of trustworthiness to the holder of the security clearance. Security clearances are about having a special trust granted to access material that would pose significant harm to the US if released. As these firms have worked with foreign intelligence to bring down the POTUS in the past I think it may be warranted to restrict access in the present.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:02 pm to
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It is similar to the concept that in an at-will state, you can be fired for no reason at all. But if a reason is given, it should be a good one, and must be a legal one.

Exactly.
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I don't think that narrative really plays in this situation

Perhaps that's the straw man he accused me of creating, and wasn't really his point at all. Although, I hardly equate coming to the wrong conclusion to that of creating a straw man.

Maybe he's just being defensive and expecting me to attack that position after creating it. I don't know, I thought it was an interesting discussion right up to the point where he basically told me I didn't understand it at all.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:11 pm to
You jumped off the tit and straight onto tiger droppings?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:25 pm to
This judge is a master class in weaponizing the judiciary.


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Judge Beryl Howell, an Obama-appointed federal judge, has carved out a legacy as a judicial battering ram against Donald Trump and his allies. Her gavel was hit with a partisan venom stick.

From her 2019 ruling that handed House Democrats a treasure trove of Mueller probe secrets to her 2023 speech decrying “big lies” and January 6 “revisionist myths,” Howell’s track record reads like a litany of anti-Trump crusades.

She’s pierced attorney-client privilege to force Trump’s lawyer Evan Corcoran to testify, held Twitter in contempt for not coughing up Trump’s direct messages.

She slapped Rudy Giuliani with a $148 million defamation tab for daring to question the 2020 election.

Her courtroom quips—like calling Trump a “sore loser” or likening his administration’s legal arguments to a toddler’s tantrum—exposes her a political operative in robes.

Nowhere is Howell’s alleged bias more glaring than in her ruling tonight in favor of Perkins Coie, the law firm infamous for its ties to Hillary Clinton and the Steele dossier.

Trump’s Executive Order to sanction the firm—barring its lawyers from federal buildings and choking its government contracts—Howell didn’t just block it; she obliterated it with a 102-page manifesto, branding it an unconstitutional “bill of attainder” fueled by Trump’s “personal vendetta.”

Her rhetoric is apocalyptic, claiming the order sent “chills down her spine” and threatened the legal profession with “blizzard proportions” of harm.

Her court room is a masterclass in weaponizing the judiciary to prop up the corrupt left.

She has one of the most egregious records of anyone on the DC bench and that’s really saying something there.

From enabling Jack Smith’s witch hunts to excoriating DOGE’s efficiency reforms, Howell’s rulings consistently rule against Trump’s agenda regardless of the law.

She is the poster child for the full frontal assault on the judiciary branch by a bunch of radical ideologues in black garb.


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Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:25 pm to
DP
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:26 pm to
If we don’t start arresting these fricking traitors, none of this means anything.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:27 pm to
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Absolutely. This EO is clearly viewpoint discrimination and a violation of the First Amendment


JFC… I hope your TDS makes you stroke out, pussy.
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:29 pm to
You’re so full of shite. frick you, you liberal bitch.
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:30 pm to
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Her rhetoric is apocalyptic, claiming the order sent “chills down her spine”




This is what SFP is defending.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:31 pm to
JFC… like clockwork, this f@ggot TDSFP sprints in to simp for the libs.

Pathetic.
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