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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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The more apt comparison would be stripping the security clearance of a law firm defending someone accused of being a Communist.
I don't understand how that would be a problem. The issue is security clearances - not the ability for a law firm to select clients of their choosing.
There has to be more to the decision than "viewpoint discrimination."
Of course it is Beryl Howell we are talking about.
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:38 am to BCreed1
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It has everything to do with it.
Did Perkins Coie present the dossier to a FISA Court?
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Without Perkins Coie's actions to stop Trump in a co-ordinated effort with HRC and the DNC, the DOJ would have had nothing to go get their warrants from.
This is not true.
The most egregious FISA application was for Carter Page, where the DOJ identified all of his connections to Russia and left out that he was an asset of the CIA for many of these connections.
It was similarly weak for Geoge Pap, who was primarily linked due to the Joseph Mifsud connection (which was likely intentionally misreported).
Then there is Paul Manafort, who I hope we don't have to get into details about his connections to Ukraine and Russia.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:40 am to JimEverett
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Of course it is Beryl Howell we are talking about.
Are you suggesting one our Saints in Black Robes might issue an opinion driven by her personal politics? That's shocking.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:43 am to Azkiger
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And, and, and, Perkins Coie supplied them
Again, trying to create a conspiracy.
The dossier was already in the ether prior to the DOJ's reliance on it.
Fusion GPS is the one who secured the dosser as well, it must be noted. Perkins Coie was mostly just a way to funnel the money.
You're also ignoring Steele passing this information directly to the government directly. He went to the FBI himself with the "intel" he gathered.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:45 am to Flats
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You appear to be making the claim that the bad actors that executed Russia-gate didn't actually want him out of office, they just want to be "negative".
I said it changed over time and the evidence we have points to that more than anything else. But this comment is also exclusive to the DOJ.
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You appear to be making the claim that the bad actors that executed Russia-gate didn't actually want him out of office, they just want to be "negative".
That's what we know from the evidence we have.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:46 am to BCreed1
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How stupid are you going to be today? That's nowhere near the same.
It's literally the same
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
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"I gave the weapon knowing it would be used for murder".
Now you're doing the p-word. Also the facts don't back up your example.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Perkins Coie was mostly just a way to funnel the money.
So you admit that they conspired with foreign intelligence services to influence a Presidential election?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:47 am to JimEverett
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There has to be more to the decision than "viewpoint discrimination."
By the Trump admin? No, there doesn't.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:47 am to shinerfan
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So you admit that they conspired
No.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
So they "funneled the money" by accident?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did Perkins Coie present the dossier to a FISA Court?
Did they do anything to dispel RussiaGate?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:50 am to shinerfan
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So they "funneled the money" by accident?
No. You're trying to conflate things.
It's been an issue in this thread.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:50 am to Azkiger
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Did they do anything to dispel RussiaGate?
In a discussion about viewpoint discrimination, I don't think you want to go there.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's literally the same
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Manufacturers of guns do not knowing place those goes in the hands of people that they know will commit murder with.
It is not the same as a person giving a gun to another person that they know is going to use it to kill people with.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. You're trying to conflate things.
Actually, you're contorting into absurd positions because you're too much of a child to take the loss. It's probably because your daddy never loved you.
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It's been an issue in this thread.
It's an issue in a lot of threads.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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In a discussion about viewpoint discrimination, I don't think you want to go there.
In a discussion about dealing out knowingly false reports, I'm quite sure I do.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's what we know from the evidence we have.
That’s what you believe. I believe differently based on the evidence.
And what you believe is, again, one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen here.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:01 am to shinerfan
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Actually, you're contorting into absurd positions b
No I'm not
I'm primarily asking for evidence and am still waiting 7 pages later.
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because you're too much of a child to take the loss.
What loss?
With what evidence?
Perkins Coie was a way for the campaign to hide paying for the dossier (similar to the Trump-Stormy criminal case in NY). There is no larger conspiracy (which you're trying to create).
And the Hillary campaign was fined for this campaign violation
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Federal election regulators fined Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee earlier this month for not properly disclosing the money they spent on controversial opposition research that led to the infamous Trump-Russia dossier.
The DNC was fined $105,000 and the Clinton campaign was fined $8,000, according to a letter sent by the Federal Election Commission to a conservative group that requested an inquiry.
Most of the vitriol ITT seems to be misplaced and more properly focused on FusionGPS, although their connection to the DOJ's impropriety is without real evidence as well.
Again, Steele provided his "research" to various intelligence agencies and the FBI directly. No middle man was needed and therefore no conspiracy existed.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:02 am to Azkiger
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In a discussion about dealing out knowingly false reports, I'm quite sure I do.
Requiring law firms to support your political stances in order to get security clearances would 100% violate the 1A
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:02 am to Flats
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That’s what you believe. I believe differently based on the evidence.
Which evidence?
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