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Jordan Peterson video: Why young women are more woke
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:07 am
Jordan Peterson has a sit down with Eric Kaufman, and in this 15 minute video they talk about 'Why young women are more woke'.
BLUF: Women go along with the dominant ideology in a society (or force, if you remember how some women behaved during WWII when the Nazis took over their towns), men are more contrarian, and we could have a serious problem in society with female-dominated institutions because of this. This carries over to men that have female-like temperaments (memes of Nu Males come to mind). If woke is dominant and it's allied with "politically correct authoritarianism", which heavily selects for low verbal intelligence, then we have unthinking, unintelligent, ideologically governed people in control of major power centers and that would be devastating to our nation or any other nation / society.
Here are some notes:
- Definition of woke is making sacred, things like marginalized groups.
- Out of that emerges an ideology. You are not allowed to offend them etc. Also, there must be equality.
- Equality + Emotional Safety are the two pillars of this ideology.
- Unlike Marxism which is a set of ideas, it's a set of emotional attachments. And it's not top down it's bottom up.
- Peterson: Association with liberal progressivism but stressing the emotional side. Marxists divided based on economic grounds mostly and said there are victims and victimizers. In woke, there are victims and victimizers but other axes aside from money like race, gender, and sexuality (likely primary ones)...Peterson's group identified some items with strong statistical relationships to what he calls 'politically correct authoritarianism'. This authoritarianism deviated from liberal progressivism in that the authoritarians were just fine with compelling people through force.
- The factors and traits that were most strongly associated with this authoritarianism were: low verbal intelligence (very strong association), being female, having a female temperament, having taken even just one politically correct course.
- Peterson has been thinking about the increasing female domination in places like academia. We are seeing more female domination in university system, especially in social sciences.
- Kaufman's book (don't know the title) points out there is a predisposition of women 18-34 to be way out of step with the rest of their peer group, way more radical, more likely to claim Hamas is a victim, etc.
- Peterson asks Kaufman about the female domination of institutions.
- Kaufman: we only see this effect among younger women, it's not present in older women. He points out a survey done each year of incoming college freshmen. In 1970 girls were a bit more conservative than the boys. But around 2004 there was a separation, with women getting more left leaning and it's now about 15% (I'm shocked it's this low).
- He says there's another survey where women are more likely to say that if a speaker is coming to a campus and they may say offensive things, that speaker ought not come to campus.
- Kaufman says that women are more likely to back the prevailing moral order, whether it's woke, or patriotism, or religious. Men are more likely to be contrarian.
- Kaufman has an interesting point in that often people will claim that women are more compassionate, but it's important to ask to whom are they compassionate: The ideology tells women which side to be compassionate towards.
- Peterson says that in prior work he did, they never identified gender as a predictor when they were looking at things like temperament until they arrived to this topic. He notes that it is also interesting that it involves younger women and posits that it may have to do with misplaced maternal instincts.
- Peterson says it's only in the past 30 years that we have gotten a glimpse of what female-dominated institutions look like.
- Kaufman goes on to say in some survey work he's seeing about 90% of American students saying they've seen at least one item from Critical Race Theory getting pushed to them in school. So, what our youth is seeing is CRT, DEI, etc, and then they move forward in the system and reinforce those ethics and values, particularly women, although Kaufman is more of a sociologist so he sees things more through societal dynamics than dictated by gender. (this would be a way to explain why female-like temperament also loads as a factor, and not just female)
NOTE - the comment on low verbal intelligence is damning. Here is some information on Verbal Intelligence from verywellfamily.com
Verbal intelligence is the ability to analyze information and solve problems using language-based reasoning. Language-based reasoning may involve reading or listening to words, conversing, writing, or even thinking. From classroom learning to social communication to texting and email, our modern world is built around listening to or reading words for meaning and expressing knowledge through spoken language.
What Are Verbal Tasks?
Verbal tasks are those we do by engaging with, manipulating, or using words. Verbal tasks may involve concrete or abstract ideas. They may also involve internalized language-based reasoning, otherwise known as self-talk. Verbal tasks involve skills such as:
• Listening to and recalling spoken information
• Solving language-based problems of a literary, logical, or social type
• The ability to perform complex language-based analysis
• Understanding the meaning of written or spoken information
• Understanding the relationships between language concepts and performing language analogies or comparisons
Why It's Important
Early childhood education is often built around non-verbal reasoning, because very young children develop speech and language skills at different rates. Preschoolers may spend most of their school hours on activities such as finger painting, singing, movement, outdoor play, and crafts—all activities which can be completed with little verbal instruction or spoken response.
Once children are in school, however, verbal intelligence becomes increasingly important. Even kindergarteners and first graders are asked to listen to and follow spoken instructions ("put on your jackets and line up at the door").
The child who hears and understands only a portion of the instructions may not be able to keep up with the rest of the group. At the same time, children are asked to answer questions verbally ("which plant is tallest?"), and they are beginning to use (or at least dictate) written language.
Verbal reasoning becomes increasingly important in school work as children grow older and make more use of books, videos, and in-class conversation.
By the time a child reaches middle and high school, the vast majority of school work requires a high level of verbal intelligence. Reading and language arts tasks required verbal reasoning skills. Even the more abstract courses such as math and physics require verbal reasoning skills, as most concepts are either introduced orally by the teacher or introduced in written form in a textbook.
In college and in the workplace, verbal intelligence is central to instruction and training. It is a rare job that does not involve some form of language-based licensing or exam, and most jobs involve at least some verbal instruction.
BLUF: Women go along with the dominant ideology in a society (or force, if you remember how some women behaved during WWII when the Nazis took over their towns), men are more contrarian, and we could have a serious problem in society with female-dominated institutions because of this. This carries over to men that have female-like temperaments (memes of Nu Males come to mind). If woke is dominant and it's allied with "politically correct authoritarianism", which heavily selects for low verbal intelligence, then we have unthinking, unintelligent, ideologically governed people in control of major power centers and that would be devastating to our nation or any other nation / society.
Here are some notes:
- Definition of woke is making sacred, things like marginalized groups.
- Out of that emerges an ideology. You are not allowed to offend them etc. Also, there must be equality.
- Equality + Emotional Safety are the two pillars of this ideology.
- Unlike Marxism which is a set of ideas, it's a set of emotional attachments. And it's not top down it's bottom up.
- Peterson: Association with liberal progressivism but stressing the emotional side. Marxists divided based on economic grounds mostly and said there are victims and victimizers. In woke, there are victims and victimizers but other axes aside from money like race, gender, and sexuality (likely primary ones)...Peterson's group identified some items with strong statistical relationships to what he calls 'politically correct authoritarianism'. This authoritarianism deviated from liberal progressivism in that the authoritarians were just fine with compelling people through force.
- The factors and traits that were most strongly associated with this authoritarianism were: low verbal intelligence (very strong association), being female, having a female temperament, having taken even just one politically correct course.
- Peterson has been thinking about the increasing female domination in places like academia. We are seeing more female domination in university system, especially in social sciences.
- Kaufman's book (don't know the title) points out there is a predisposition of women 18-34 to be way out of step with the rest of their peer group, way more radical, more likely to claim Hamas is a victim, etc.
- Peterson asks Kaufman about the female domination of institutions.
- Kaufman: we only see this effect among younger women, it's not present in older women. He points out a survey done each year of incoming college freshmen. In 1970 girls were a bit more conservative than the boys. But around 2004 there was a separation, with women getting more left leaning and it's now about 15% (I'm shocked it's this low).
- He says there's another survey where women are more likely to say that if a speaker is coming to a campus and they may say offensive things, that speaker ought not come to campus.
- Kaufman says that women are more likely to back the prevailing moral order, whether it's woke, or patriotism, or religious. Men are more likely to be contrarian.
- Kaufman has an interesting point in that often people will claim that women are more compassionate, but it's important to ask to whom are they compassionate: The ideology tells women which side to be compassionate towards.
- Peterson says that in prior work he did, they never identified gender as a predictor when they were looking at things like temperament until they arrived to this topic. He notes that it is also interesting that it involves younger women and posits that it may have to do with misplaced maternal instincts.
- Peterson says it's only in the past 30 years that we have gotten a glimpse of what female-dominated institutions look like.
- Kaufman goes on to say in some survey work he's seeing about 90% of American students saying they've seen at least one item from Critical Race Theory getting pushed to them in school. So, what our youth is seeing is CRT, DEI, etc, and then they move forward in the system and reinforce those ethics and values, particularly women, although Kaufman is more of a sociologist so he sees things more through societal dynamics than dictated by gender. (this would be a way to explain why female-like temperament also loads as a factor, and not just female)
NOTE - the comment on low verbal intelligence is damning. Here is some information on Verbal Intelligence from verywellfamily.com
Verbal intelligence is the ability to analyze information and solve problems using language-based reasoning. Language-based reasoning may involve reading or listening to words, conversing, writing, or even thinking. From classroom learning to social communication to texting and email, our modern world is built around listening to or reading words for meaning and expressing knowledge through spoken language.
What Are Verbal Tasks?
Verbal tasks are those we do by engaging with, manipulating, or using words. Verbal tasks may involve concrete or abstract ideas. They may also involve internalized language-based reasoning, otherwise known as self-talk. Verbal tasks involve skills such as:
• Listening to and recalling spoken information
• Solving language-based problems of a literary, logical, or social type
• The ability to perform complex language-based analysis
• Understanding the meaning of written or spoken information
• Understanding the relationships between language concepts and performing language analogies or comparisons
Why It's Important
Early childhood education is often built around non-verbal reasoning, because very young children develop speech and language skills at different rates. Preschoolers may spend most of their school hours on activities such as finger painting, singing, movement, outdoor play, and crafts—all activities which can be completed with little verbal instruction or spoken response.
Once children are in school, however, verbal intelligence becomes increasingly important. Even kindergarteners and first graders are asked to listen to and follow spoken instructions ("put on your jackets and line up at the door").
The child who hears and understands only a portion of the instructions may not be able to keep up with the rest of the group. At the same time, children are asked to answer questions verbally ("which plant is tallest?"), and they are beginning to use (or at least dictate) written language.
Verbal reasoning becomes increasingly important in school work as children grow older and make more use of books, videos, and in-class conversation.
By the time a child reaches middle and high school, the vast majority of school work requires a high level of verbal intelligence. Reading and language arts tasks required verbal reasoning skills. Even the more abstract courses such as math and physics require verbal reasoning skills, as most concepts are either introduced orally by the teacher or introduced in written form in a textbook.
In college and in the workplace, verbal intelligence is central to instruction and training. It is a rare job that does not involve some form of language-based licensing or exam, and most jobs involve at least some verbal instruction.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:10 am to POTUS2024
Listening to these two dinosaurs talks about what young women want is pretty lulz
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:12 am to POTUS2024
quote:
Peterson says it's only in the past 30 years that we have gotten a glimpse of what female-dominated institutions look like.

Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:20 am to DrrTiger
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Peterson says it's only in the past 30 years that we have gotten a glimpse of what female-dominated institutions look like.
Is he wrong?
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:20 am to beaux duke
quote:
Listening to these two dinosaurs talks about what young women want is pretty lulz
That's not what they're doing.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:23 am to POTUS2024
quote:
Is he wrong?
Nope. And the results have been wretched.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:26 am to beaux duke
quote:
Listening to these two dinosaurs talks about what young women want is pretty lulz
It always amazes me how proud you lefties are of your stupidity, which is also addressed.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:33 am to POTUS2024
Wokeness = Stupid and low IQ.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:40 am to POTUS2024
quote:
Women go along with the dominant ideology in a society
Women always choose the popular social ideology.
They crave approval.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:42 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
It always amazes me how proud you lefties are of your stupidity, which is also addressed.
There's a reason I put in the stuff about low verbal intelligence. I knew we would get a display of it in this thread as they showed up.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:45 am to POTUS2024
I now view the entire 360 degree Western Cultural Shiteshow from the perspective of a culture that has discarded the order and competency of the masculine in favor or the chaos and belief that feelings are more important than results of the feminine.
Everywhere one looks, we see more chaos and virtue signaling, which is the social currency of women. Only a return to the masculine ideal will save us from complete cultural collapse as women are unfit to legislate or govern as a whole. They are so unable to think clearly that we now have feminists championing trans at the expense of women, full term abortions and taking little boys to get their junk cut off . This is Life under womyn. It’s the stuff of dystopian nightmares. And really, it’s good women that will have to take it back . The cure to all this will only come from women regaining their collective senses .
Everywhere one looks, we see more chaos and virtue signaling, which is the social currency of women. Only a return to the masculine ideal will save us from complete cultural collapse as women are unfit to legislate or govern as a whole. They are so unable to think clearly that we now have feminists championing trans at the expense of women, full term abortions and taking little boys to get their junk cut off . This is Life under womyn. It’s the stuff of dystopian nightmares. And really, it’s good women that will have to take it back . The cure to all this will only come from women regaining their collective senses .
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:47 am to POTUS2024
Women should be seen and not heard.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:51 am to beaux duke
quote:
Listening to these two dinosaurs talks about what young women want is pretty lulz
Clearly someone with low verbal IQ
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:52 am to POTUS2024
Because men stopped telling them to shut up or else.
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:44 pm to POTUS2024
Peterson is a fraud. He was a shiny suit wearing progressive academia whore until it came after him. THEN it was a poisonous ideology. Before it was fine.
He’s an opportunist. Saw a window to make money and opened it. Aligned with Benny Shapiro is the perfect place for him.
He’s an opportunist. Saw a window to make money and opened it. Aligned with Benny Shapiro is the perfect place for him.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:49 pm to ItNeverRains
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Peterson is a fraud. He was a shiny suit wearing progressive academia whore until it came after him. THEN it was a poisonous ideology. Before it was fine.
He’s an opportunist. Saw a window to make money and opened it. Aligned with Benny Shapiro is the perfect place for him.
He lost me during the Kavanaugh confirmation process.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:50 pm to beaux duke
quote:
Listening to these two dinosaurs talks about what young women want is pretty lulz
Ignoring the content yet completely emulating what Peterson is saying. Thanks for proving his point.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:53 pm to beaux duke
We know you prefer talk about killing tiny humans, giving hormones to boys so they can be girls and providing blow job books to kids.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:57 pm to Lige
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Women should be seen and not heard.
Actually, it's been proven that women receive a shot of happy in the brain's pleasure receptors. They crave the sound of their own voice. But that doesn't mean we have to listen to them. Just nod once in a while and say 'yeah, you're right.'
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