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Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:55 am to CommoDawg
quote:He said if they make sexual displays at work and demand not to be treated sexually, they are hypocrites.
Jordan Peterson thinks women who wear makeup at work deserve to be harassed
Which is an accurate statement. Not exactly sure how you can argue against that.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:58 am to Strannix
Every time someone writes a hit piece on Jordan Peterson, or tries to make a skewed video, all it does is increase his reach and popularity. When people like the OP lie about what he's saying, and then they go watch the video and realize he's actually saying reasonable, common sense things, those they lie to end up doing exactly what the liar didn't want them to do... listen to Jordan Peterson.
Also, I'd like for Vice to release the whole interview, but I doubt they will. Anyone who's watched any Jordan Peterson talks or listened to any podcast he's been on knows his points are always nuanced, well thought out, and based on evidence. He also usually goes into the psychology of why people do things, and that seems to trigger people who'd rather not think about why they do some of the things they do.
Also, I'd like for Vice to release the whole interview, but I doubt they will. Anyone who's watched any Jordan Peterson talks or listened to any podcast he's been on knows his points are always nuanced, well thought out, and based on evidence. He also usually goes into the psychology of why people do things, and that seems to trigger people who'd rather not think about why they do some of the things they do.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:04 am to CommoDawg
quote:mocks video, but never watched it...gets called out for it and disappears
CommoDawg
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:06 am to Roaad
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He said if they make sexual displays at work and demand not to be treated sexually, they are hypocrites
But are they "sexual displays?" One could argue in today's world makeup is the norm and wearing it in a business setting is more accept than vice versa.
Wearing makeup isn't necessarily sexual in nature it could be a self confidence thing. It doesn't matter either way its a free country and females or males for that matter can wear whatever they want. That doesn't give anyone the right to harass them for any reason regardless of what you think their attire represents.
Pointing out stuff like this doesn't address the problem of Harassment shouldn't be happening at all.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:07 am to CommoDawg
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Jordan Peterson thinks women who wear makeup at work deserve to be harassed
he didn't say that
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:09 am to mindbreaker
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But are they "sexual displays?"
they're literally the definition of sexual displays (he even gets into why for red lipstick)
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One could argue in today's world makeup is the norm
that's part of the larger point, bro
actual, classical feminists have argued this point for decades. this isn't some new argument by Jordan Peterson
hell even Portlandia has as sketch about these types of classical feminists
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:11 am to CommoDawg
Women do things to bring sexual attention to themselves.
And then complain when they get it.
And then complain when they get it.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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they're literally the definition of sexual displays (he even gets into why for red lipstick)
Maybe at one time but actions and meanings change over time. the majority of people aren't putting on makeup thinking "This is sure going to make me look more sexual today" it just isn't thought of as that anymore.
Regardless this doesn't address the problem of Harassment happening. If everyone decided right now to ban all make-up harassment would not end. So you aren't addressing the problem
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:17 am to CommoDawg
Jordan Peterson breaks down common sense in an intellectual manner and the left's jimmies are rustled. It's the weirdest thing.
Maybe it's not weird. Maybe it rustles their jimmies because Jordan exposes the lies the left lives by simply by stating universal truths that have been around since the dawn of humankind.
Maybe it's not weird. Maybe it rustles their jimmies because Jordan exposes the lies the left lives by simply by stating universal truths that have been around since the dawn of humankind.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:22 am to Powerman
quote:
t's as much about impressing other women as it is men
and if you complete that circle, it's for men (or mates more specifically). it's a competition
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If a woman gets dressed up and made up for work it's not a free license to come on to them
nobody said that, especially Peterson
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:26 am to mindbreaker
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Maybe at one time but actions and meanings change over time. the majority of people aren't putting on makeup thinking "This is sure going to make me look more sexual today" it just isn't thought of as that anymore.
that's called socialization and it's based in sexual displays
again, that's why the classical feminists rejected it. they saw the socialization as patriarchal and therefore anti-woman, so why play the game? just because sex-based (and i mean in the man/female way) judgment and expectations become so pervasive you don't examine the root cause of your behavior doesn't mean that root cause suddenly goes away
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Regardless this doesn't address the problem of Harassment happening.
and he didn't say "if you wear makeup you can't be harassed" (like OP tried to straw man)
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:34 am to mindbreaker
quote:he agrees that women shouldn't be harassed. He's pointing out that no one knows what the fricking rules are in the definition of harassment is more fluid than the ocean
Pointing out stuff like this doesn't address the problem of Harassment shouldn't be happening at all.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah OP was and idiot with his title. I'm big on freedom though if someone wants to wear makeup, low cut shirt, hell walk around naked I don't care it's their right. Doesn't give anyone the right to smack them on the arse.
I hate make up myself and think it's ridiculous it has become a must in our modern society, but if you want to wear it more power to you. Bringing it up borders on the line of victim blaming (not saying that is what Peterson did though) and can steer the subject away from the problem.
I hate make up myself and think it's ridiculous it has become a must in our modern society, but if you want to wear it more power to you. Bringing it up borders on the line of victim blaming (not saying that is what Peterson did though) and can steer the subject away from the problem.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:42 am to ShortyRob
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He's pointing out that no one knows what the fricking rules are in the definition of harassment
Fair point. If I tell a female in the work space I like her outfit, is that harassment? We still need to function as a society and walking on eggshells with every conversation isn't necessarily productive either.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:49 am to mindbreaker
It's harassment if she doesn't like you.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:51 am to mindbreaker
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Fair point. If I tell a female in the work space I like her outfit, is that harassment? We still need to function as a society and walking on eggshells with every conversation isn't necessarily productive either.
The fundamental problem in the sexual harassment discussion today is twofold. First we are trying to get people to pretend that they stop being humans when they walk in the front door of their workplace. Second instead of treating women as mature beings we want to treat them as infants
On the first point the reality is no matter how many laws you pass or policies you pass or Declarations of remain professional you say men and women are sexual beings. They will notice each other and at times they will be interested in each other
Hell I will guarantee you that is solid 20% of the people who run around arrogantly talking about remaining professional have dated at least one person in their workplace in The Last 10 years. A very significant number of them married that person.
As such many of the paradigms we here about sexual harassment are just patently nonsense. And their net result is that we are basically treating women like they are incapable of handling themselves in an adult manner
I'm sorry ladies if you don't know the right answer when somebody you aren't interested in asks you if you want to frick that's a you problem. It only becomes a him problem if aspects of your job really are on the line
Note I said really. Just because you suddenly want to turn into a five-year-old and say you were scared doesn't make it so
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:52 am to BuckyCheese
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It's harassment if she doesn't like you.
The hilarious part is that literally every woman knows this
You show me a woman crying harassment and 80% of the time I'll show you a woman who would be fricking the guy if she thought he was good looking
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:57 am to BuckyCheese
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It's harassment if she doesn't like you.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:03 am to CommoDawg
He’s not saying that at all, and Vice took him out of context. If I wasn’t an SJW loon, I’d never agree to an interview with them.
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