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Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:49 am to ChineseBandit58
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Doesn't make sense - I shoot a guy because he was about to kill me - and I am supposed to prove he intended to kill me??
My defense is self-defense - If you think I killed him for any other reason then prove it.
Well ole JohnnyU wants you to be guilty of MURDER unless you can PROVE that it was not. Guilty until proven innocent.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:50 am to DisplacedBuckeye
So where in Ohio are you from? If you can't name a roundabout city/near the town then I call BS. 
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:50 am to cajunangelle
I'm a sucker for a good callout thread.
Keep the fans happy and what not.
Keep the fans happy and what not.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:50 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Kasich 2020
"I never said this" - displacedcuckey
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:50 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Kasich lacks any self awareness if he thinks he will have any sort of mass support if he runs for President in 2020.
The political scene in this country is literally overrun with people lacking in self-awareness. See She Guevara as a prime example.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
pink kayaks, fuschia scooters, we see how ya roll.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:51 am to Jjdoc
The Mailman’s son always fails to deliver.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:51 am to SDVTiger
quote:yet he owns it today.
Kasich 2020
"I never said this" - displacedcuckey
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:53 am to Jjdoc
He's such a nice guy
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:53 am to SDVTiger
It's been two years and you still don't know why you were wrong about that? Really?
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:53 am to SCLibertarian
One of the rare times I disagree with you.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:54 am to cajunangelle
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So where in Ohio are you from?
Nice try, creeper.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:56 am to ChineseBandit58
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My defense is self-defense - If you think I killed him for any other reason then prove it.
Traditionally in most if not all states you would still have to prove your affirmative defense, as the other poster pointed out. The prosecutor has the burden of proving that you killed the guy beyond a reasonable doubt, not proving your motive for doing so. Self-defense is an affirmative defense, the person asserting an affirmative defense has the burden of proving it. That's standard across both civil and criminal law.
This law seems awkward in that the prosecutors now have to prove a negative. aka "You didn't kill him in self defense", once the defendant pleads not guilty. Do they have to do that in every case or only ones where defendants plead self defense? Does this lead to a situation where prosecutors are going to have to prove other negatives as well i.e. you aren't mentally ill, etc. etc. These defenses have always been borne by those who plead them, proving a negative beyond a reasonable doubt is almost impossible in many circumstances
I'm not fundamentally opposed to such a change, it just seems odd and it is unusual for prosecutors to have to do that. Perhaps the way the actual law is written makes it more intuitive.
ETA: It is nice to watch Kasich get overridden though
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:57 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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So where in Ohio are you from?
Columbus would be a solid guess.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:00 am to flyAU
quote:Not as hard as a homeowner being burdened with $100K in attorney fees because he shot an intruder in his home, while an overzealous prosecutor forces him to PROVE the perp was shot in self-defense.
That must be a horrible feeling. To have veto power just to get vetoed.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:02 am to NC_Tigah
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Not as hard as a homeowner being burdened with $100K in attorney fees because he shot an intruder in his home, while an overzealous prosecutor forces him to PROVE the perp was shot in self-defense.
His legal fees aren't going to change, there will still be a trial.
Also, how will this be limited to self defense? Why not force the prosecutors to positively rule out all affirmative defenses if this is the rationale?
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:03 am to NC_Tigah
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Not as hard as a homeowner being burdened with $100K in attorney fees because he shot an intruder in his home, while an overzealous prosecutor forces him to PROVE the perp was shot in self-defense.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:03 am to Jjdoc
John and Jeb are weak
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:07 am to LSU Patrick
Yeah some proggie dem town with cucks that says THEE OHIO STATE.
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