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re: Joe unwittingly took the cut social security / Medicare talking point off the table

Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:32 am to
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6219 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:32 am to
Correct; he isn’t playing by any set of normal rules.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:49 am to
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he killed that whole future talking point.


Good on Joe Biden for removing the Republicans' ability to hamstring Social Security and Medicare, as they had planned to do.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15462 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:54 am to
I don’t even understand this dumb arse point you’re even making. It’s a win for this potato brained moron to make up a position his opponents don’t even have bc it’s the only way he can actually prevail in negotiations?

This epitomizes the intellectual and moral dishonesty of the entire Democrat Party.

You people can’t win honestly. Really you can’t do honesty. You live in some weird, miserable place beyond the looking glass where you don’t even know what gender you are
Posted by Peterson Was In
Member since Sep 2021
336 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:59 am to
I know this board isn't known for critical thinking, but seeing some people trying to convince themselves that this was some masterclass move by the Rs is hilarious.

Sleepy Joe used predictable republican behavior to let them box themselves in a corner, anything else is red copium.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140705 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:00 am to
You voted for a lifetime politician, racist with dementia.

Critical thinking?

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89613 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:03 am to
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why are D's not willing to cut other areas of the budget


Their entire power structure is based off controlling that spending. Obviously, it is how they directly control the deep state, but indirectly it allows them to control public education, scientific research, health care, etc.

I don't even think the Dems would be big into cutting defense spending right now because they believe they have wrested control from Republicans in the years since W.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 8:04 am
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:04 am to
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a position his opponents don’t even have


They probably shouldn't openly tout that they hold these positions in written documents and on video, if they "don't even have" them.

But that's just logic speaking.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
1635 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:17 am to
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Sleepy Joe used predictable republican behavior to let them box themselves in a corner, anything else is red copium.


McCarthy has been saying for weeks that Medicare and SS aren’t on the table. All Biden did was remove a Democrat talking point.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15462 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:23 am to
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They probably shouldn't openly tout that they hold these positions in written documents and on video, if they "don't even have" them.


Glad to see your citation to them. I’ve followed this debt ceiling situation closely. And you can’t - bc the Rs (not all of which I really like all that much) have proposed no such thing.

Your point is moronic, and dishonest, which is par for the course.

Republicans have proposed holding social security/ Medicare spending at current levels (even tho democrats, including the Potatus voted at some point to permit Congress to spend out of money I paid into SS to be available for me but that’s another point entirely) and to reduce if not eliminate moronic spending on “green energy” transgender fish studies and (hopefully) the Uniparty’s proxy and pointless war in Ukraine.

The last spending bridge spearheaded by the people operating the puppet strings on that corrupt rotting corpse posing as President, was a bridge too far.
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32899 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:25 am to
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Sleepy Joe used predictable republican behavior to let them box themselves in a corner, anything else is red copium.

Nah. Recycling a traditional Dem tactic is predictable. It will be effective on your side’s low IQ voters but will deflate as time marches on.
Posted by TomJoadGhost
Alabama
Member since Nov 2022
1003 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:27 am to
They were never really on the table. Where R’s have failed is not spelling out exactly what cuts they are seeking. It left a vacuum for Biden to attack Rick Scott’s plan to require SS and Medicare to be reappropriated every 5 years. Scott isn’t the only R that supports that idea, though there aren’t many. That plan leaves the door open for future cuts.

Political semantics game that most people are sick of.
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
3761 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:32 am to
No, not well played............He blew off both his own feet and now can't use that excuse as a campaign point any longer.

He's an idiot.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36171 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:33 am to
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Good on Joe Biden for removing the Republicans' ability to hamstring Social Security and Medicare, as they had planned to do.


Faux issue. That’s all this is. No one was talking about cutting SS except the Dems who need these faux issues to demonstrate how committed they are to the elderly.

They do this while their economic and social policies drive up the cost if food, shelter and transportation.

You do understand that inflation is a defacto cut in SS payments, right?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:34 am to
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Whether planned or not, he baited the Republicans and they went for it. Effectively nailed down commitment that SS&M won’t be touched, taking a potential bargaining chip off the table. Well played, to be honest. And that will be the lead for most stories on the speech tomorrow.

They weren't going to be touched anyway

Nothing was gained or lost here

If anything it looks like Biden is spreading fear for no reason
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24964 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:38 am to
Medicare reimbursements to health providers continually get cut. Soon providers won’t be able to be profitable with Medicare patients. While the recipients may still have coverage it won’t cover the cost of services
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
9042 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:40 am to
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he baited the Republicans and they went for it.


Joe couldn't bait a 10lb bass in 1 gallon fish tank.

GTFOH.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23276 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:56 am to
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Republicans' ability to hamstring Social Security and Medicare


Both are a time bomb you blathering slag.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:09 am to
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Glad to see your citation to them


Republicans float plans to gut Social Security and Medicare

Senator Mike Lee (R) on video - "I want to pull Social Security up by the roots"

I know it's difficult for you to escape your epistemic bubble, but Biden told the truth and used it to corner Republicans. Oops for you.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50682 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:11 am to
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Effectively nailed down commitment that SS&M won’t be touched, taking a potential bargaining chip off the table.


You can't remove something from the table when it was never there to begin with.
Posted by volnavy
Fair wind and following seas
Member since Jan 2009
748 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:11 am to
He actually may have fricked up. I haven't seen anything saying Reps. want to cut SS , I have seen McCarthy propose locking it back up which isn't the same thing.
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