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JFK killed 60 years ago today...
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:54 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:54 am
What happened and why are we being lied to and denied government records?
ETA: Warren Commission was full of shite.
ETA: Warren Commission was full of shite.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 6:20 am
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:00 am to Animal
For all of my life, I leaned heavily on the belief that it was and could ONLY have been 1 lone shooter.
And while still possible here, I'm more convinced than ever that our gov is absolutely capable of and willing to have orchestrated this level of treachery & deception.
Everyone needs to think seriously about that and what it means.
And while still possible here, I'm more convinced than ever that our gov is absolutely capable of and willing to have orchestrated this level of treachery & deception.
Everyone needs to think seriously about that and what it means.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:09 am to Animal
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if you ever get the chance to go to Dallas, take it from me, pass it by
Jimmy Buffett
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:13 am to KiwiHead
My head hurts, my feet stink, and I don’t love Jesus this morning.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:39 am to patnuh
Kick me through the goal post of life.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:41 am to Animal
What a sad and disturbing day it was. 
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:44 am to Animal
Our entire government has been full of shite since 1913. The people need to take this government back!
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:46 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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For all of my life, I leaned heavily on the belief that it was and could ONLY have been 1 lone shooter.
I'll never forget the moment I heard the news in an announcement over the PA system at McDonnell St.Louis - working on the new space program JFK had set in motion. Although I had voted for Nixon, I was not all wrapped up in politics at that time - thinking all politicians were actually good people inside = Except for LBJ. = I had grown up hearing my grandfather talk about politics in general but with a burning hatred for LBJ - he called LBJ a cold-hearted murder, among a myriad of other moral failings. That stuck with me all my life because he was the 'smartest man I ever knew.'
SO - my end of day conclusion was that Oswald WAS the shooter, but that LBJ was somehow the initiating factor in the assassination.
I still think that - and nothing I have ever heard detracts from that firm belief. I am now willing to accept the possibility that there were other shooters involved, although the LHO as shooter is still my considered opinion.
More FBI/CIA/deep-swamp traitorous facets keep surfacing too often to maintain my belief in the message that my mother taught me as I was growing up =
"'If they print it in the newspaper, or say it on radio' it HAS to be truthful"!!
My mother was completely wrong in that wrt to political/journalism degradation over the past 30 years.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:54 am to ChineseBandit58
I never bought the 'impossible shot' claims which we were told proved that Oswald couldn't have acted alone. Clearly, it was a makable series of shots.
Then much was made of the so-called magic bullet, but again, that's easily explained by seat positioning and body alignment.
But all this was before my time. I only heard about it via history, yrs after. 2 things struck me as a young Kaiju.
1. There were Americans who actually celebrated the assassination of a President. That to me was mindboggling. Sure, I get if you voted for Nixon and all, but to publicly celebrate this stuff? That to me was utterly foreign.
2. Much like with MLK, the fears that everywhere riots would break out and the suburbs would be overrun with violence from the inner cities. 60 yrs ago, that seems a bit hyperbolic. Today?
Then much was made of the so-called magic bullet, but again, that's easily explained by seat positioning and body alignment.
But all this was before my time. I only heard about it via history, yrs after. 2 things struck me as a young Kaiju.
1. There were Americans who actually celebrated the assassination of a President. That to me was mindboggling. Sure, I get if you voted for Nixon and all, but to publicly celebrate this stuff? That to me was utterly foreign.
2. Much like with MLK, the fears that everywhere riots would break out and the suburbs would be overrun with violence from the inner cities. 60 yrs ago, that seems a bit hyperbolic. Today?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:55 am to ChineseBandit58
JFK had many enemies. However, I think LBJ and the white supremacists were behind it.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:58 am to leeman101
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I think LBJ and the white supremacists were behind it.
Maybe, but I'd be more inclined to believe he green lit the operation than took part in the planning. Evil and racist, sure, but LBJ wasn't too bright. Smart enough to know when to shut up and let things happen, but that's about it.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:01 am to Animal
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Warren Commission was full of shite
Smartest thing posted on politalk in years.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:02 am to SouthEasternKaiju
The reason why I say the white supremacists is JFK was about to pass his civil rights act through congress. Plus a few months earlier JFK embarrassed Gov. George Wallace on national TV with Wallace's stand in the school house door at Bama.
Plus supposedly Bobby Kennedy as AG and LBJ hated each other.
Plus supposedly Bobby Kennedy as AG and LBJ hated each other.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 7:05 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:05 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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For all of my life, I leaned heavily on the belief that it was and could ONLY have been 1 lone shooter.
And while still possible here, I'm more convinced than ever that our gov is absolutely capable of and willing to have orchestrated this level of treachery & deception.
Everyone needs to think seriously about that and what it means.
If it was one shooter and that shooter was LHO, why still classify documents from 60 years ago? That is my main hangup on the "no conspiracy" idea.
Well... that and his almost immediate assaination by Jack Ruby. Dead men tell no tales.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:06 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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For all of my life, I leaned heavily on the belief that it was and could ONLY have been 1 lone shooter.
I’ve walked the Dealey Plaza site a few times. And IMHO, there’s no way there was only one shooter.
My nephew has a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle like the one Oswald purportedly used. It’s a piece of shite. There’s no possible way you could cycle it 3x and fire it accurately (including a head shot on a moving target) in 6 seconds.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:09 am to Animal
Trump when POTUS, should have declassified the documents as his last act before he boarded the helicopter.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:16 am to Animal
There are some good docs about Dallas at that time and they don’t paint the best picture.
There was a full page ad in the paper (which had a notable right lean back then) telling Kennedy he wasn’t welcome and listing the grievances. Dallas in particular had a large number of organized nutjobs compared to the rest of the country.
Oswald was at least heavily influenced by that environment, and at worst… there are a ton of theories as we know.
There was a full page ad in the paper (which had a notable right lean back then) telling Kennedy he wasn’t welcome and listing the grievances. Dallas in particular had a large number of organized nutjobs compared to the rest of the country.
Oswald was at least heavily influenced by that environment, and at worst… there are a ton of theories as we know.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 7:19 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:16 am to Godfather1
IDK what to say, but tests have been run and it's not that crazy a kill for 1 shooter. Focused, motivated and locked it, it still took 3 shots, not just 1. 
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:17 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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There were Americans who actually celebrated the assassination
I was a young 25 yr old at the time - raised in the backwoods of Vernon Parish - was raised with good old god-fearing honest people.
Took no notice of 'politics' as it is known today. Thought ALL people were of similar thought processing as myself - and my immediate cultural surrounding. When I went off to college in56, I was too busy to party - never went to one party my entire time except for one hosted by the Pershing Rifles Drill Team which I joined. While there, I took maximum hours every semester, except for the fall semester after getting married in summer of '57, and worked part time jobs after hours to just pay the bills.
My first misgivings about people wrt politics in general started that day when the assassination was announced.
There was a group of computer techs that were nearby my location when the announcement was made. I had been lurking around the outskirts of their political discussion during our break-times and lunch period - they were championing someone by the name of John Birch. Had never heard of him or his 'society,' but was interested the the very vocal discussions they were having.
After the announcement, they began a low-level celebration - saying things that stunned me to my core, like having to prepare for a good alibi if the FBI came around asking questions - This was my first real-life introduction to fringe politics.
Never spoke to one of them again, but I was grateful for one thing - they showed me the world was not made up exclusively of right-thinking people. I began looking for deeper insights to what people said.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:33 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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IDK what to say, but tests have been run and it's not that crazy a kill for 1 shooter. Focused, motivated and locked it, it still took 3 shots, not just 1.
We may be thinking of the same 'test' you inferred.
Some years ago I watched a tv production by a group that set up a simulation of the assassination geometry - complete with all the spatial coordinates for every object in the scene = height and distance of shooter, location and speed of the limo, dummies for bodies in the vehicle all in their proper spatial location during the episode and a tower with the shooter in the proper location and view (don't recall if they had the 'tree' obstruction' in the scene, but if not they heeded the restriction that would have put on the view from the sniper site.
They then ran the vehicle thru the scene and had a marksman shoot from his perch.
The marksman had no problem at all with the timing of the shots and made better hits than Oswald.
That setup also settled (for me) the claim about the mysterious 'third bullet that hit Governor Connally = the seats of the POTUS and First Lady were elevated quite a bit higher than with a stock limo of the time used for the Presidential vehicle. That made the trajectory of the bullet very easy to imagine without having to introduce a totally new weapon at another location.
To me, that simulation was very persuasive. At that time, my job entailed tracking positions of objects in space - specifically the docking geometry of the Gemini/Agena mission.
I was totally in synch with the one-shooter interpretation of the actual scene after that.
I can accommodate as many theories of the why and who were responsible for the plot - (still think LBJ was the top dawg in that) - but the location and methodology of the shooter is hard fact to me now, awaiting results of even more detailed analysis than the simulation scenario I described above.
And. I am not discounting any sort of treachery from the FBI/CIA/LBJpolitics from that suspicion. I still find it hard to think that this was all a one-man show from start to finish.
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