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re: JFK killed 60 years ago today...

Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:26 am to
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:26 am to
3 letter agencies + govt + mob
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:15 am to
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If it was one shooter and that shooter was LHO, why still classify documents from 60 years ago?


guess there are two ways to look at it.

Oswald acting completely alone, planing, it, shooting it, etc.

OR

there being a conspiracy that involved all the usually mentioned suspect with the planning and financing of the assassination, but with Oswald being the only person to actually fire a shot.


both of those scenarios have just one person pulling the trigger.
one is a conspiracy and one isn't.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:20 am to
Oswald acting completely alone, planing, it, shooting it, etc. is a conspiracy, no?

They made the definition requiring more than one party.

Why is planning and acting alone not be conspiring to commit a crime?

I am a lay person when it comes to law.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:25 am
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:22 am to
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Far easier to buy into than multiple shooters.


I've watched several "forensic" type shows about the shooting. probably the same ones mentioned by others earlier in the thread.

the problem every one had with shots from all the other locations mentioned were
duplicating the known injuries to the people in the limo without creating new injuries.

for example, from the Grassy Knoll area, they would hit Jackie every time they tried it.
and we know Jackie never got hit, so it's extremely unlikely that anyone fired a shot from that spot.
from the overpass, they couldn't hit Kennedy without going through the windshield. which again, we know didn't happen.

Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:22 am to
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I'm more convinced than ever that our gov is absolutely capable of and willing to have orchestrated this level of treachery & deception.


Right, wrong, or indifferent it is clear that at the time nobody in government was ready or willing to accept JFK's politics for the most part.....and knowing what we know now you are 100% correct!
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Oswald acting completely alone, planing, it, shooting it, etc. is a conspiracy, no?



a conspiracy by definition has to include more than one person.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Why is planning and acting alone no be conspiring to commit a crime?




it's just called planning.
planning with others is conspiring.

kinda like if one guy beats you up, you didn't get "jumped". but if a group of people did it, then you did get "jumped"
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:34 am to
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The conspiracy does not have to be a formal agreement or plan in which everyone involved sat down together and worked out all the details.


Conspiracy

I found this interesting.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:34 am to
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the problem every one had with shots from all the other locations mentioned were
duplicating the known injuries to the people in the limo without creating new injuries.

for example, from the Grassy Knoll area, they would hit Jackie every time they tried it.
and we know Jackie never got hit, so it's extremely unlikely that anyone fired a shot from that spot.

from the overpass, they couldn't hit Kennedy without going through the windshield. which again, we know didn't happen.


Well now - I have not heard of either of these examples. Of course I quit following the 'conspiracy' theories after the first decade or so - haven't paid much attention since.

thanx for the input/
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:49 am to
The CIA killed him.

Detailed explanation (too many characters to copy and paste on here):
https://x.com/DylanMAllman/status/1724066794082603188?s=20
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:54 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:50 am to
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Then much was made of the so-called magic bullet, but again, that's easily explained by seat positioning and body alignment.
Positioning and alignment ... absolutely. In fact, there is virtually no question JFK and Connolly were hit by the same round. The magic was not in the trajectory.

The magic is the impossibly pristine condition of the supposed round after traversing a litany of tissue planes in the two men, along with two major bone impacts, and a resulting debris trail in Connolly's body.

Despite hundreds of efforts, no one in history has demonstrated anything resembling that result. It is simply not possible in any circumstance.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 11:09 am
Posted by tigerlion
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:47 pm to
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He pissed of the USSR by embarrassing Krushchev with the Cuban Missile crises.


JFK and Khrushchev communicated secretly for a couple of years prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Their mutual respect for one another and trust is what saved millions from being annihilated. Their own governments despised their leaders for this.

quote:

He betrayed Castrol when he hung him out to dry in the Bay of Pigs


Bay of Pigs was a CIA-led trap so actually the CIA, on several occasions, hung JFK out to dry prior to assassinating him.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:49 pm to
Well in the governments defense that last congressional investigation said “ it was probably a conspiracy” but stopped short after that. Plus 3 of the 7 on Warren commission disagreed with the statement
Posted by tigerlion
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 2:02 pm to
I’ve said it before on here, and I’ll say it again… read the book JFK and the Unspeakable. You will learn a lot (most likely more than you want to know). Read about each witness along the way….Ex. Rose Cheramie, Ed Hoffman, Julia Ann Mercer, Sergeant Robert Vinson, T. F. White, and numerous others. There was not one “Oswald.” Hell, Sgt. Vinson flew out of Dallas to New Mexico with one of the “Lee Harvey Oswalds” shortly after the assassination. Couldn’t have this imposter seen again in the Dallas area as simultaneously Lee Harvey Oswald was cuffed and imprisoned.

Too many in power did not want the Cold War to end. JFK did. One way to solve that problem…..
Posted by SquaringCircles
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 2:15 pm to
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Their own governments despised their leaders for this.

Look, LHO was a commie, Ruby was a vigilante, Sirhan was concerned about Palestine, and Thane Cesar was moonlighting as a security guard for extra cash. The known CIA connections to LHO and Cesar are just coincidences. This is Mayberry. They hate us for our freedoms.
Posted by lehaus45
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 2:40 pm to
It is crazy to believe there was just one shooter even though we'd like to believe there was just one. Too much 100% positive evidence that there was more than one.

There were at least four shots and probably more which Oswald's carbine could not fire in 6.2 seconds. In no particular order:

1) No one disputes this--one shot totally missed the limousine and hit a curb, splintering a concrete shard into a bystander's face (James Tague).

2) One shot hit JFK in the back which is definitely corroborated by the hole in his body, his shirt, and suit jacket. This bullet did not penetrate far and fell out. A Secret Service agent (Landis) recently admitted, after 60 years, that he found the intact bullet on the back seat, put it in his pocket, and later put it on the stretcher for any analysis by the doctors. This bullet was dubbed the "Magic Bullet" by the Warren Commission to fit it's three shot narrative, but it is magic no more.

3) Kennedy had a neck wound which supposedly was caused by the back wound, which is now totally debunked because the back wound bullet fell out of his back and was laying on his seat. The neck wound bullet went through his tie knot partially and his shirt.

4) The massive head wound to Kennedy.

5) Governor Connelly was hit in the back, the bullet went through him and hit his wrist, went through that and ended up in his thigh. All of the grams of lead could not be removed by the doctors and so remained in Connelly, and that amount of lead was more than what the so called Magic Bullet was missing, another 100% proof that the Magic Bullet theory was impossible.

Today we know 100% that there was more than one shooter.

Posted by au7342
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 3:30 pm to
There is a documentary on Paramount+ featuring the Parkland Trauma Doctors. Well worth a watch for their perspective.

JFK: What The Doctors Saw
Posted by Heyes
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:36 pm to
Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a shot. He was just what he claimed … a patsy

We have all been told that he was a loner , not very smart , violent , a communist sympathizer , and a defector .
Bill Oreilly ‘s book has him so stupid he couldn’t put two sentences together

Here are some facts about Oswald and his family .

He was voted class president of his eight grade class when he was living in New York . So pretty popular and smart kid .

Older half brother was in military ( John Pic )and stationed in Japan .

Oswald ‘s job assignment in Japan was a CIA recruiting ground and Oswald had dreamed of being a spy

His first assignment was as part of the fake defector program in the Soviet Union where ex military personnel would supposedly renounce their US citizenship . This was not to gain military secrets . It was to find out about life in the Soviet Union . Was there a mass transit system ? Did Russians go the the movies , or to the theater . Etc etc etc

His family gives some interesting facts about Oswald
His uncle Charles “ Dutz “ Murret was supposedly a Carlos Marcelo henchmen . Truth was he was a dock worker and ran a small bookmaking operation from an oyster Restaraunt . He had little interaction with Marcelo
He was married to Oswald’s mom’s sister . For being from the “wrong side of the tracks “ none of his kids were screwups .

His kids were John who played baseball in the cardinals organization and later became a pharmaceutical sales rep . Taught young Lee the game of baseball as Oswald lived with them off and on
Joyce … Oswald actually called her to come bail him out when he was arrested for distributing leaflets .
Charles jr … Air Force dentist. Practiced in louisiana
Nothing special from those three .

Eugene … here is a good one
An attorney , also he goes to Springhill college in mobile where he is studying to be a Jesuit priest ( cia heavily recruits Jesuits )
While there he invites Lee Oswald to come speak to the class about his experience in Russia .
All 23 of the Jesuits when interviewed later by the fbi said Oswald told them basically … Russia Sucks .
After studying to be a priest for a year and a half , Gene winds up working for Governor John Mckeithen where he is in on a scheme to pay off the Kkk to keep them from screwing with blacks .
Later , in the 90’s in Bosnia , Gene is put in charge of the Judicial system in Bosnia and making it mirror the United States judicial system
Coincidentally, about a month before Oswald speaks to the Jesuits , none other than Clay Shaw speaks to them .

Marilyn Dorethea Murret , went to Loyola , Tulane , LSU , Duke , USC , St. Louis , the university of Madrid and even the university of the Sarbonne in Paris where she became a teacher and traveled the world for three and a half years teaching in Australia , Japan and across the middle east.This is a CIA cover also used by Barrack Obama mother . She even ran into cousin Lee in Russia … “ Hey , Lee … what a surprise running into you here “
When interviewed by the warren commission she said the following about Oswald
He was extremely polite. He would open doors for women , get up from the table and help with their chair , etc
He was the smartest of all the family as he could read an encyclopedia like it was nothing and retain everything .
He was very well liked … absolutely nothing like the portrait of Oswald we are told.

So where was Oswald when the shots occurred ? Two female workers said he was having his lunch in the lunchroom where the coke machine was.
Also , in a photograph of the doorway he sure looks to be standing in the doorway right next to a guy that also looks like him named billy lovelady .
He didn’t kill J D tippet either. That was done by Jack Ruby and his friend and sometime roommate named Curtis Laverne “ Larry “ Craford



This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 7:11 am
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:41 pm to
That's a nice fairy tale you weave
Posted by Heyes
Baton. Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
556 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:43 pm to
No fairy tale. Look up Murrets kids
Eugene J Murret sr obit in the advocate is about a half mile long. Read it

Also , keep in mind . These were Oswald’s first cousins and he lived with them a lot growing up because his dad had passed away and his mom struggled to make ends meet . It wasn’t like a cousin you never see or knew about or saw once in awhile at some reunion . They were close relatives
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:58 pm
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