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re: Jeff Landry wants information on out of state abortions and gender-affirming care
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:48 am to Stingray
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:48 am to Stingray
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If you want to kill babies and sterilize kids leave Louisiana and just don't come back? That makes sense to me
Well that’s one way to keep Louisiana’s population in decline.
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I’m against this.
Everyone should be.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Intent and using instrumentalities of commerce to get to your destination, probably.
But the analysis is different between states in our constitutional order. What about the full faith and credit clause? Or the sovereignty of state A to make laws enforceable within its borders. California’s sovereignty is eroded if Louisiana can dictate what goes on within its borders.
That’s not even getting into the slippery slope of legal marijuana or other medical procedures (stem cell, etc.) that may be banned in one state.
Landry really has no discernible first-order principles other than fighting culture wars for more power.
But the analysis is different between states in our constitutional order. What about the full faith and credit clause? Or the sovereignty of state A to make laws enforceable within its borders. California’s sovereignty is eroded if Louisiana can dictate what goes on within its borders.
That’s not even getting into the slippery slope of legal marijuana or other medical procedures (stem cell, etc.) that may be banned in one state.
Landry really has no discernible first-order principles other than fighting culture wars for more power.
This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 7:53 am
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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I have no idea how those laws are constitutional.
Me either. And while I'm dead against exploiting kids, I recognize that unlimited government power destroys liberty.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:53 am to boosiebadazz
Abortion is wrong and should be illegal everywhere. To that end, I think this is a good rule.
Unfortunately the country isn’t there yet and we’ve been forced to use states rights to limit it where we can. I think this is pushing too far. It’s like the fugitive slave act, in that it will radicalize people in other states. Hopefully we sent the house, senate, and president in 2024 so we can ban it nationally before it comes to these sort of state to state attacks on sovereignty
Unfortunately the country isn’t there yet and we’ve been forced to use states rights to limit it where we can. I think this is pushing too far. It’s like the fugitive slave act, in that it will radicalize people in other states. Hopefully we sent the house, senate, and president in 2024 so we can ban it nationally before it comes to these sort of state to state attacks on sovereignty
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:54 am to sta4ever
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We are so screwed. Landry is gonna be a terrible governor. He just wants the position and the power. Richard Nelson is the guy we should have all got behind.
You misspelled Stephen Waguespack
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:55 am to boosiebadazz
Don’t care; still voting for Landry.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:56 am to MAADFACTS
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so we can ban it nationally before it comes to these sort of state to state attacks on sovereignty
The overturning of Roe restored the freedom of the people in the various states to negotiate the issue without being lorded over from 2500 miles away.
You want to go back to less liberty and more lording?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:57 am to TrueTiger
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And while I'm dead against exploiting kids, I recognize that unlimited government power destroys liberty.
You don't need to qualify. They're going to call me the pedo regardless so you're safe.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:59 am to boosiebadazz
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Landry really has no discernible first-order principles other than fighting culture wars for more power.
I don't think he wants power, per se. I think he knows his rabid base and what stupid red meat they'll gobble up.
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But the analysis is different between states in our constitutional order. What about the full faith and credit clause? Or the sovereignty of state A to make laws enforceable within its borders. California’s sovereignty is eroded if Louisiana can dictate what goes on within its borders.
That’s not even getting into the slippery slope of legal marijuana or other medical procedures (stem cell, etc.) that may be banned in one state.
Yes the irony of the "state's rights" crowd pushing this is that it would, in fact, destroy state's rights.
What if the opposite happened, and California sued LA and asked for an injunction for LA prosecuting a CA citizen arrested for possession of MJ while in LA?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:00 am to TrueTiger
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You want to go back to less liberty and more lording?
With religious authoritarians, expect religious-based authoritarianism.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:01 am to TrueTiger
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The overturning of Roe restored the freedom of the people in the various states to negotiate the issue without being lorded over from 2500 miles away. You want to go back to less liberty and more lording?
Roe was bad because abortion is bad, and also because it was our unelected Supreme Court dictating policy for the entire country. If our elected representatives pass a law that for the country that is just how representative government is supposed to work. If the people of Louisiana try and tell the people of other states what they can or can’t do, that is wrong and would probably get struck down in the courts anyway. The best way to prevent abortion is a national ban passed by both houses and signed into law by the president
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:10 am to MAADFACTS
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Roe was bad because abortion is bad, and also because it was our unelected Supreme Court dictating policy for the entire country.
You were doing so well.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:14 am to sta4ever
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We are so screwed. Landry is gonna be a terrible governor. He just wants the position and the power. Richard Nelson is the guy we should have all got behind.
He won't be governor. Idiots always end up electing a democrat there.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:18 am to TrueTiger
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You were doing so well.
You support the leftwing court we had in the mid-20th century using the commerce clause to tell everyone else how to live?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:24 am to MAADFACTS
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You support the leftwing court we had in the mid-20th century using the commerce clause to tell everyone else how to live?
No, I support the state AG prosecuting me for something I did in California that is totally legal there.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:28 am to boosiebadazz
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No, I support the state AG prosecuting me for something I did in California that is totally legal there.
I obviously don’t support that either. I said it should be banned at the national level through our elected representatives. It is murder, and murder should be illegal. If we can’t do that, I don’t support state AGs pursuing their state policies across state borders
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:35 am to boosiebadazz
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Landry
This dude is all dollars and no sense.
And he looks like a muppet.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:26 am to TrueTiger
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I tend to agree.
But on the other hand,
a lot of people feel like it's their business if someone flies to Bangkok (or Epstein's island) to have sex with underage kids.
It's not their business, from a legal standpoint.
The Epstein deal, though, involved trafficking U.S. citizens, and he also did the same thing at his house in Miami.
There are lots of things that are legal in one state and illegal in another state, from guns to gambling to drugs.
This is a moronic proposition that undermines the entire concept of states' rights.
And regarding the transitioning treatments, if that is deemed child abuse (big if), then those treatments are ongoing when they return back to the state and THAT could potentially be enforceable in Louisiana.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:32 am to boosiebadazz
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Landry really has no discernible first-order principles other than fighting culture wars for more power.
He only has that power if we give him that power
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