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re: JD Vance responds when lawmaker says health insurance for illegals is a lie
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:38 pm to Weekend Warrior79
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:38 pm to Weekend Warrior79
quote:Unfortunately, they are if they participate in the DSH (disproportionate share hospital) program. Many or most do, speaking from living in the south. It was certainly not designed to be used by illegals but under EMTALA (emergency medical treatment and active labor) laws, you must treat or at least stabilize a patient and transfer them only if you are unable to care for them. The DSH program means that CMS will reimburse some of your expenses but it used to be woefully short of your actual costs to provide care.
I just ask, if an "undocumented" person walks into the ER for treatment, the ER is required to treat them, eventually. If they are uninsured, what happens to that bill? Do you think hospitals are in the business of handing out free treatment, or do those costs end up making its way to the taxpayer?
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:39 pm to TBoy
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And republicans will react violently to anyone who points out the lie.
The projection is so astonishing, I consider this an admission of violent intent from the left.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:42 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Not the point of the thread, but the eating the cats and dogs was true too.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:43 pm to the808bass
quote:
This is the distinction that the states are making. Even while they tax medical providers which the Federal government than matches those Medicaid provider taxes at rates up to 60% which then provide billions of Federal funds to the states for them to allocate as they see fit (outside of Federal guidelines like those preventing covering illegals).
So you’re not even technically right.
You can't draw down Medicaid matching funds for programs not approved by the Feds.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:44 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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The NY health insurance for undocumented immigrants over 65 is state-funded, not federal, as federal Medicaid excludes non-emergency coverage for undocumented individuals.
Damn the VP sending out fake news to muddy the discussion and keep his based riled up? Say it ain’t so
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:46 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Health care for illegals…
Every Dem in that debate raised their hands in support.
to all Tranny Boy Klan members
Bitches. All of you.
Every Dem in that debate raised their hands in support.
to all Tranny Boy Klan members Bitches. All of you.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:47 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
The days of you to have to pass it first are over.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:49 pm to BigJim
If you’re committed to trying to play word games, say “I’m committed to playing word games.” That will save me some time.
Fox News Link Outlining the Scam
Fox News Link Outlining the Scam
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:01 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:
No need to do homework when you own the mainstream media. Half of the population still believes that those shots vaccinated them against Covid, even AFTER they got the shots, and then got Covid.
Was it Twain who said that it's always easier to convince someone of a lie than to convince them that they've been lied to?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:02 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:quote:Damn the VP sending out fake news to muddy the discussion and keep his based riled up? Say it ain’t so
The NY health insurance for undocumented immigrants over 65 is state-funded, not federal, as federal Medicaid excludes non-emergency coverage for undocumented individuals.
according to the graphic above, undocumented immigrants “previously only qualified for Emergency Medicaid” but now are eligible for expanded benefits “through Medicare Managed Care programs”
both Emergency Medicaid and Medicaid Managed Care are primarily funded by Federal taxes
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:09 pm to Tmcgin
quote:
Illegals can't afford our health insurance.....just like us
Well then why are we importing even more poor people that need supported
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:20 pm to Hoops
Here's another way that states defraud the Federal Government of matching funds.
Reasonable Opportunity Periods
LINK
Any questions from the lying fig boys?
Reasonable Opportunity Periods
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By law, states are required to verify an individual’s citizenship or satisfactory immigration status when determining Medicaid eligibility. When a state is unable to make this determination immediately, the applicant is granted an ROP, during which they receive full benefits and are expected to make a good-faith effort to obtain the necessary documentation to provide proof of citizenship or lawful immigration status.
Historically, ROPs were supposed to last just 90 days as states attempt to verify immigration status. However, states have abused this process by extending ROPs and granting the same individuals new ROPs each time they apply for the program, allowing illegal aliens to effectively remain on the program indefinitely.
Data from 10 state Medicaid agencies reveals a sharp rise in the number of individuals covered under ROPs—increasing by 45 percent from 2019 to 2023. But even more shocking is that the number covered under ROPs who were ultimately unable to prove their citizenship or lawful immigration status increased by more than 400 percent over the same period.
Not only has the number of ROP recipients surged, but so has the duration of their ROPs. In 2023, roughly 70 percent of ROPs issued exceeded 90 days. In some states, individuals were allowed to remain on ROPs for more than 14 years—well beyond the time it would conceivably take to prove citizenship or lawful immigration status.
Even more concerning, in 2024, the Biden administration exacerbated this problem by finalizing a Medicaid “streamlining” rule to eliminate the option for states to cap the number of ROPs an individual can receive. Now, an applicant can repeatedly receive ROPs, effectively allowing illegal aliens to receive Medicaid benefits indefinitely—even if they ultimately fail to provide proof of citizenship.
A rise in the number of illegal aliens—coupled with inadequate policies to govern ROPs and verify Medicaid eligibility—has contributed to an explosion in ROP-driven Medicaid enrollment.
LINK
Any questions from the lying fig boys?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:25 pm to roadGator
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Did he forget the debate where they all raised their hands in support of giving illegals health coverage?
Everyone with where hand up should have gotten a bill for the full cost of it then.
Lots of things seem like a good idea until the bill comes.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:26 pm to Hoops
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:48 pm to the808bass
Yes, I know how provider taxes work, probably better than most.
But you can still only use those provider taxes to draw down federal funds for approved programs.
Having the state and local funds is necessary to get the federal match, but the feds don't let just let any request for match go through.
You have a much better point on the Reasonable Opportunity Periods.
And again, this doesn't count emergency services.
But you can still only use those provider taxes to draw down federal funds for approved programs.
Having the state and local funds is necessary to get the federal match, but the feds don't let just let any request for match go through.
You have a much better point on the Reasonable Opportunity Periods.
And again, this doesn't count emergency services.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:59 pm to TBoy
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Because republicans will intentionally pretend that it is federally funded and will create fictional explanations to promote the lie.
There is no pretending …State Health-market plans are facilitated and run by the states but they’re subsidized by the federal government still.
The only fiction here is your own delusions..
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:08 pm to DarkDrifter
quote:
There is no pretending …State Health-market plans are facilitated and run by the states but they’re subsidized by the federal government still.
Yes, they are federally subsidized, but no they do not allow illegals:
www.healthcare.gov
quote:
Health coverage for immigrants
People in these groups can get coverage through the Marketplace if they're eligible:
United States (U.S.) citizens
U.S. nationals
Lawfully present immigrants
Notice:quote:.
Undocumented immigrants can't get Marketplace health coverage. They may apply for coverage on behalf of documented individuals
Which isn't to say people don't lie or present fake credentials. But no, the are not eligble by law.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:12 pm to BigJim
Lawfully present immigrants
Those turned loose pending a bogus asylum claim hearing 3 years later?
Those turned loose pending a bogus asylum claim hearing 3 years later?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:15 pm to Vacherie Saint
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This isn't complicated.
For him, everything is complicated.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:32 pm to BigJim
quote:
But you can still only use those provider taxes to draw down federal funds for approved programs.
So you understand that the $16.7B in MCO taxes resulted in $9.5B to the state between July 2023 to June of 2025.
Are you arguing that this doesn’t give the state a slush fund to pay for their pet projects (including illegal immigrant healthcare)?
If this wasn’t the case, then a reduction in federal funding wouldn’t affect coverage for illegals.
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