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re: Japanese ask for USMC to fly F-35 jets from deck of the Kaga. Same name as CV we sunk

Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:58 pm to
Posted by AeroFan
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2017
87 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:58 pm to
Of course, the Kaga participated in the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. I could be wrong, but up until not too long ago, I can't imagine that USN brass would've been too excited about joint operations with a ship named after its infamous predecessor.

We've come a long way.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6486 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:01 pm to
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Americans are oblivious to the degree of enthusiasm the average Japanese person on the street has for America . They are more pro- American than America is. Of course they don’t have Democrats.


The Japanese people I worked with loved it here. They hated being transferred back to Japan.
Posted by Tbone2
Member since Jun 2015
581 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:43 pm to
The 4 Pearl Harbor Carriers were the Kaga, Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:07 pm to
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The 4 Pearl Harbor Carriers were the Kaga, Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu.


Were they really? I ask because it is a fact that the 4 Japanese Carriers sunk at the battle of Midway were the Hiryu, Soryu, Kaga and Akagi.

Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:21 pm to
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That would be fricking awesome.

USA, Japan and Taiwan fighting the fricking Red Chinese.


Add in Thailand, India, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam and maybe Myanmar. Those countries fricking hate China.

Australia and New Zealand would stand with the USA and China knows it.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35474 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:22 pm to
Battle of Midway is frankly the most fascinating battle in WWII and maybe all of history.

How it all unfolded was basically a miracle for the US.

We routed them despite every dive bomber we sent initially to their Carriers was shot down.

We had the element of surprise with information about their plans but still were outmatched.

The battle was less than 7-9 months away from Pearl Harbor where most of our fleet was destroyed.

Japanese at that time had the greatest Navy in the world.

We had pilots who had never seen action and just graduated from flight school.

“The most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare”
— John Keegan, Miltary Historian

“They had no right to win. Yet they did, and in doing
so they changed the course of a war. More than that, they
added a new name – Midway – to that small list that inspires
men by example, like Marathon, the Armada, the Marne.
Even against the greatest odds, there is something in the
human spirit – a magic blend of skill, faith and valor – that
can lift men from certain defeat to incredible victory.”
— Walter Lord

We destroyed the Japanese Navy barely into the war with a makeshift Navy ourselves and green pilots.
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
9681 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 12:20 am to
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We destroyed the Japanese Navy barely into the war with a makeshift Navy ourselves and green pilots.



Carved those frickers up.
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3476 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 3:34 am to
VS-6 at Midway

First Division
6-B-1
Lt. R.H. Best
MURRAY, J.F., ACRM(PA)
6-B-2
Lt(jg) E.J. Kroeger
HALTERMAN, G.W.,RM3c
6-B-3
Ensign F.T. Weber
HILBERT, E.L.,AOM3c

6-B-5
Lt(jg) W.E. Roberts
STEINMAN, W.B.,AMM1c
6-B-6
Ensign D.W. Halsey
JENKINS, J.W.,RM3c

Second Division
6-B-7
Lt. J.R. Penland
HEARD, H.F.,ARM2c
6-B-8
Ensign T.F. Schneider
HOLDEN, G.L.,ARM2c
6-B-9
Ensign E.A. Greene
MUNTEAN, S.A.,RM3c

6-B-11
Ensign T.W. Ramsay
DUNCAN, S.L., ARM2c
6-B-12
Ensign L.A. Hopkins
ANDERSON, E.R., RM3c

Third Division
6-B-13
Lt(jg) J.J. Van Buren
NELSON, H.W.,JR., ARM1c
6-B-14
Ensign N.F. Vandivier
KEANEY, L.E.J., Sea1c
6-B-15
Ensign G.H. Goldsmith
PATTERSON, J.W.,JR., ARM3c

6-B-16
Lt(jg) E.L. Anderson
MASON, S.J.,JR., ARM2c
6-B-18
Ensign B.S. Varian, jr.
YOUNG C.R., ARM3c

Only
6-b-1
6-b-2
6-b-3
6-b-12
6-b-16

Returned to the Enterprise

Summarizing, five planes out of fifteen returned; the personnel of four other planes were rescued; the personnel of six planes are unaccounted for. One of the five planes which returned, 6-B-16, was so badly damaged by shrapnel and machine gun fire that it could not be flown on subsequent attacks.


VB-6 report is hard to find.

Best sinks the Akagi with his 1000 pound Bomb.

I have Commander Best autograph in my collection and a written report by him on the first attack at Midway.

In the early 1990's there was a huge push for him to be awarded the CMOH for his actions that day, and this is righty so; if he does not hit the Akagi the Japanese could have turned the tide of the battle in their favor.

This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 3:43 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26190 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:08 am to
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The 4 Pearl Harbor Carriers were the Kaga, Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu.


There were six Japanese carriers at Pearl. The four you mentioned were sunk at Midway.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15051 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:12 am to
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The last time US forces put something on the deck of a Japanese carrier named Kaga, it was a bomb at The Battle of Midway in 1942.


Just a point of interest that the Japanese retained the name for their carrier. They are strong allies now and we should be proud they work with us so closely.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14763 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:29 am to
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Japanese at the time had the greatest Navy in the world.


I didn't realize how bad we broke Japan until I saw the 2016 movie "Shin Godzilla".

While Godzilla is destroying a city and its people are dying, Japanese government leaders are downright refusing to defend themselves (at first) with military action because it would technically be considered "an act of war" which they haven't engaged in since WW2. When the leaders reluctantly give in to bombing Godzilla, they are portrayed as grieving over the decision to fight back.

They are truly broken.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17474 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 8:12 am to
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Vietnam


Are we so sure they’d help us?
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 8:30 am to
Yes Vietnam is one of China’s oldest enemies. Right after we left, the Vietnamese fought a war against the chicoms.

It’s considered a tragedy over there that the Vietnam war even happened. They have asked us in the last 20 years to make a US naval base near Hanoi, several times.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48319 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 8:57 am to
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make a US naval base near Hanoi, several time


We should take them up on that offer, even if it's just a redundant base that's not critically needed. We could use that base to strengthen ties with Vietnam against China.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34049 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 8:58 am to
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They have asked us in the last 20 years to make a US naval base near Hanoi, several times.


Cam Rahn Bay
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17474 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:10 am to
Thanks for setting me straight. Did not realize that.
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
1441 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:52 am to
More like a wonderful alliance that was forged in fire, and the rebirth of the IJN. China should fear this.
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
1441 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 10:02 am to
Oh yeah.
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