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re: It's not a "False Equivalence"; it's a "False Choice/Dilemma"
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:03 am to Lsupimp
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:03 am to Lsupimp
quote:The disclaimer is funny.
Next time do it without the disclaimer. It's not necessary. It's counterproductive. Just speak truthfully and unapologetically.
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:04 am to La Place Mike
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The disclaimer is funny.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:06 am to SabiDojo
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A woman made a really good point on Twitter. She said the Left doesn't realize that their justification of violence by calling their cause righteous is what every evil regime has done in history, killing hundreds of millions of people.
ANTIFA, Nazis, Islamofascists, Timothy McVeigh, Gavin Eugene Long, James Hodgkinson, the Tsarnaev brothers, etc.
They felt (and feel) righteous and morally justified in attacking, hurting, or even slaughtering innocent people. Their fricked up beliefs in of itself isn't what causes harm. It's the violence, damage, and even killing that they do because of their fricked up beliefs that cause harm.
Trump is 100% correct in admonishing violence in Virginia regardless of politics.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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do you admit or deny that authoritarian-left groups have attacked non-violent, non-Nazis between Jan 1, 2017 and August 10, 2017?
You expect him to criticize the lefts new defacto army?
Seriously. I love your effort to get him to be honest but it's not going to happen. He's blinded by hate.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:07 am to cahoots
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You don't use a tragedy to call out the other side's transgressions
He called out violent transgressions on all sides.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
This is spot on. Posts like this are why you're one of my favorite posters.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:13 am to ibldprplgld
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Evil is evil, plain and simple. It matters not whether you are a pro-Nazi, or Antifa. When you plan to, or commit acts of violence against another, your alleged moral authority is irrelevant and invalid.
The ends do not justify the means if you are advocating violence.
exactly.
The perception of moral authority does not justify violence against a person or group.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:21 am to roadGator
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Whataboutism appropriation
So?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:22 am to ChewyDante
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I'm surprised by the reaction Trump's words got from a hostile media.
I actually am a little surprised how shamelessly some saw fit to pardon the leftist radical Antifa movement
It takes a hostile media to turn what happened in Virginia into a "bash Trump" fest....especially since his condemnation of the violence was completely rational and reasonable.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:26 am to goofball
STOP TALKING ABOUT TRUMP IN THIS THREAD
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:28 am to Salmon
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My uber progressive cousin just posted this and can't possibly see the issue here
Your cousin doesn't appear to be a deep thinker.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:33 am to member12
They assume their feelings of being right means those who they cede power to will always maintain that moral high ground.
The cost of giving up freedom of speech has been tens of millions of lives AFTER WW2
The cost of giving up freedom of speech has been tens of millions of lives AFTER WW2
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option.
Either we keep the statues up and preserve our culture/history, or we take them down and rip it apart!
Uh, what about the option of putting the statues in a different context (museum) or finding other ways to memorialize important figures without a public display in Confederate garb?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:57 am to Ebbandflow
quote:
So?
I'm OK with it. Just pointing out.
Everyone is hypocritical. It's difficult to avoid.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:58 am to cahoots
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Either we keep the statues up and preserve our culture/history, or we take them down and rip it apart! Uh, what about the option of putting the statues in a different context (museum) or finding other ways to memorialize important figures without a public display in Confederate garb?
I think you are one of the ones that calls posters idiots regularly.
This thread isn't about statues.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:03 pm to roadGator
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I think you are one of the ones that calls posters idiots regularly.
Check my post history, chief
quote:
This thread isn't about statues.
Yeah it's about false equivalence and false dilemma
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:06 pm to cahoots
I'd rather believe you than comb through your post history. Apologies.
What's your take on the OPs comments below his title in the OP?
What's your take on the OPs comments below his title in the OP?
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:16 pm to BamaAtl
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Then let's stop equating her protest with the Nazis she was protesting, as the President did specifically for that day in Charlottesville.
Who is?
Armed protesters and counter protesters who participated in fights are probably equally as shitty.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option.
I thought this was also called the "AB Fallacy" or something like that.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:29 pm to cahoots
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Either we keep the statues up and preserve our culture/history, or we take them down and rip it apart!
Uh, what about the option of putting the statues in a different context (museum) or finding other ways to memorialize important figures without a public display in Confederate garb
This is about labels of authoritarianism, not the statues
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