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re: Israel bombs Hamas Leaders in Qatar -- Breaking News
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:06 am to Rebel
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:06 am to Rebel
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The left has been better at playing the linguistic long game.
“Choice” doesn’t mean “choice” it means a death will take place.
Retaliatory attacks are a “genocide”.
Words get people emotional.
To be fair they are talking about kids getting sniped in food lines. Not retaliatory attacks.
There is as shite ton of killing happening in Ukraine right now but the word genocide is not used because noncombatants are spared on both sides.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:08 am to GumboPot
Ok, so if Ukraine was somehow able to take Putin and the Russian command out, would you people come here and complain that they’re eliminating negotiating partners?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:12 am to Hayekian serf
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they seem intent on deliberate escalation.
In the old days we used to call that “ killing the enemy” ,” military strategy “ , “ cutting off the head of the snake” etc. I guess we call it “ deliberate escalation “ now.
Here is to maximum Hamas dead. So that maybe the Palestinians might have some peace some day.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:14 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Ok, so if Ukraine was somehow able to take Putin and the Russian command out, would you people come here and complain that they’re eliminating negotiating partners?
Different situations and objectives.
Putin wants Ukraine as a NATO buffer. He will not stop until he can secure a part of Ukraine to maintain that buffer.
Israel is using Hamas as a foil to continue the eradication of the Palestinians. The point of asking about the Hamas leaders and who specifically is at the negotiation table is to demonstrate the theatrics of the matter.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:17 am to Lsupimp
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So that maybe the Palestinians might have some peace some day.
They have no chance of living on their homeland. Their best option is to try and immigrate to another country.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:20 am to cubsfan5150
El Gaucho is a valuable, contributing, and loving member of the Tigerdroppings Community. He gives more of his time, talents and treasure to his fellow TDers in one month than you have your entire life.
Put some respek on his name.
Put some respek on his name.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:22 am to GumboPot
quote:Nothing I’ve posted should be construed as a defense for deliberate targeting of non-combatants.
Israel is using Hamas as a foil to continue the eradication of the Palestinians.
But Hamas leadership is a legitimate target. Saying that Israel should preserve them for negotiation ignores decades of peace rejections.
You also keep saying “eradication of Palestinians”. Who are the Palestinians? It’s not a separate ethnic group. They’re just Arabs living in that region. Do you think after the area is conquered completely Israel will refuse its Arab citizens to live there? Wouldn’t they be “Palestinians”?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:24 am to AllbyMyRelf
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I don’t think the goal is genocide.
Here is the UN definition of genocide:
“According to Article II of the Genocide Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such:
• Killing members of the group
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. “
I’d say 3 of the 5 possible criteria are met.
But the better term might actually be ethnic cleansing:
“The term “ethnic cleansing” refers to the systematic and often violent process of forcibly removing or expelling members of a particular ethnic, racial, or religious group from a specific geographic area, with the goal of creating an ethnically homogeneous territory.
Unlike genocide, which requires a specific intent to physically destroy a group in whole or in part, ethnic cleansing primarily focuses on displacement and expulsion, though it frequently involves atrocities such as killings, rape, torture, and property destruction to terrorize and coerce the targeted population into leaving. “
Based on that definition Id absolutely say that Israel is absolutely practicing ethnic cleansing right now.
The debate should be whether that action is justified.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:24 am to TheOcean
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Why do so many poliboard posters support terrorists?
Its really that they hate Isreal so much they side with Hamas
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:28 am to Fat Bastard
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:30 am to tide06
I need to know what you’re talking about in order to respond. The issue I’ve been discussing is whether Israel should have targeted Hamas leadership.
Since that response, I’ve seen comments saying Israel is shooting children in food lines. I have no idea whether that claim is true or not, but nothing I’ve said would justify it.
However, targeting Hamas military leadership is not genocide. That’s a legitimate war time strike. Especially when you consider the decades precedent of them discussing “peace” only to use it as a subterfuge to inflict more attacks. That’s part of their nature as a terrorist organization with a stated goal of the total destruction of Israel.
Nothing about the targeting of Hamas leadership is “ethnic cleansing” or “genocide”.
Further, your claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing still do not hold since Israel has a large Arab population as citizens. Where’s the ethnic cleansing there? If their goal is ethnic cleansing, they’re really bad at it.
Since that response, I’ve seen comments saying Israel is shooting children in food lines. I have no idea whether that claim is true or not, but nothing I’ve said would justify it.
However, targeting Hamas military leadership is not genocide. That’s a legitimate war time strike. Especially when you consider the decades precedent of them discussing “peace” only to use it as a subterfuge to inflict more attacks. That’s part of their nature as a terrorist organization with a stated goal of the total destruction of Israel.
Nothing about the targeting of Hamas leadership is “ethnic cleansing” or “genocide”.
Further, your claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing still do not hold since Israel has a large Arab population as citizens. Where’s the ethnic cleansing there? If their goal is ethnic cleansing, they’re really bad at it.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:31 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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you're so stupid
Qatar and Saudi Arabia are friends
Saudi Arabia and Israel are friends
people like you are useful idiots
How confidently you say this is kind of frightening.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:34 am to tide06
This is from Feb. 2024. Imagine how much worse it is now. Are there even any functioning hospitals now?
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:35 am to Stidham8
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Collateral damage isn’t genocide. That’s quite the leap for the simpletons who gobble up the propaganda.
It is when the aggressor has the option to allow civilians out of the are in question.
That makes it the opposite of collateral. It by definition means that they’re intentionally targeting that population for reasons known only to them.
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The simpletons act as if Israel couldn’t annihilate every human in Gaza, a small area completely encircled, in less than a month if they wanted to.
Their own generals say they lack the ground troops to accomplish that without heavy Israel casualties if it’s possible at all.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:37 am to Bunk Moreland
Arabic reports: Five killed in strike in Qatar, not from Hamas leadership
By Nurit Yohanan
Smoke rises from an explosion caused by an Israeli strike on Hamas leaders, in Doha, Qatar, on Tuesday, Sept. 9, 2025. (UGC via AP)
The reports say they were Hamas members but not part of the leadership.
According to the reports, the dead are Himam al-Hayya, son of Hamas Gaza leader Khalil al-Hayya; Jihad Labad Abu Bilal, Khalil al-Hayya’s office director; and three “associates,” possibly referring to bodyguards or advisers of senior Hamas officials – Abdullah Abu Khalil, Moamen Abu Omar, and Ahmad Abu Malek.
Israeli officials have said they are increasingly optimistic that Hamas’s leadership was killed after 10 bombs were dropped on the site, noting that Hamas has tried to conceal the loss of its leaders in the past.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:38 am to TheOcean
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Israel bombs Hamas Leaders in Qatar
Doesn't anyone else find it quite dangerous and escalating this is? Does the public realize how many countries Israel has bombed?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:41 am to tide06
You genocide type folks would have a point if: Hamas didn't incorporate its terror and war efforts into every aspect of civilian life. And, if the UN wasn't continuing to work hand-in-hand with a clear terrorist organization that it refuses to recognize as such. The UN, as a stated goal and practice, supported and continues to support Hamas. The UN has been yelling "GENOCIDE!" since the first bomb dropped.
I said when the Jewish response first kicked off that Westerners, particularly most of the US, have no stomach for total war. This is the first total war (in a part of the world that people can actually be bothered to care about) that we have seen in a couple of generations. Total war looks a lot like genocide if you aren't used to it. The allies killed millions of civilians during WW2.
I said when the Jewish response first kicked off that Westerners, particularly most of the US, have no stomach for total war. This is the first total war (in a part of the world that people can actually be bothered to care about) that we have seen in a couple of generations. Total war looks a lot like genocide if you aren't used to it. The allies killed millions of civilians during WW2.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:52 am to AllbyMyRelf
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The issue I’ve been discussing is whether Israel should have targeted Hamas leadership.
Again, personally I’m fine with that.
All I’m asking is for Israel to provide a means for the civilians who want to surrender to be extracted from an active total war zone before they’re systemically killed directly or indirectly via starvation and disease.
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Further, your claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing still do not hold since Israel has a large Arab population as citizens. Where’s the ethnic cleansing there? If their goal is ethnic cleansing, they’re really bad at it.
Their actions within the conflict zone absolutely meet all the agreed to definitions of ethnic cleansing with regard to this conflict and their own stated goals indicate no interest in allowing Palestinians to remain in that area after the conflict ends.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 11:59 am to cajunangelle
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Sadly all mediation talks in Qatar have ended as there is no one left in Qatar to negotiate with it seems.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 12:00 pm to tide06
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All I’m asking is for Israel to provide a means for the civilians who want to surrender to be extracted from an active total war zone
Israel has told people to evacuate areas in which operations are about to kick off from the beginning. Maybe the Egyptians could let them in.
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