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Posted on 12/13/14 at 9:26 am to TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:23 pm to tide06
Once again I pose the question. Where was Jesus in all of this? Or was he just indifferent to the children's heads being lopped off? Serious question.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:25 pm to RCDfan1950
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RCDfan1950
Spot on. Beautiful summation of my life philosophy/spiritual perspective. You hit the nail on the head regarding my belief system. That was nice.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:32 pm to genuineLSUtiger
You really think Jesus roams the earth today stopping crime in its tracks like some sort of comic book superhero?
People are responsible for their own actions and they will be judged by Jesus in the end. Those children who were martyred for their faith will live in paradise while those terrorists will reap what they are sewing on earth.
People are responsible for their own actions and they will be judged by Jesus in the end. Those children who were martyred for their faith will live in paradise while those terrorists will reap what they are sewing on earth.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:32 pm to genuineLSUtiger
They say even a broke clock hits the mark twice a day, gt. Reckon I'll have to go back and read what I wrote; God only knows what I'll snatch out of the abstract on the fly. 
Hey buddy...love, peace and prosperity to you and yours. We are blessed folk.
Hey buddy...love, peace and prosperity to you and yours. We are blessed folk.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:36 pm to RCDfan1950
No doubt.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:43 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Once again I pose the question. Where was Jesus in all of this? Or was he just indifferent to the children's heads being lopped off? Serious question.
He was there. Giving them the strength and conviction to withstand those horrors. We are still open to free will and there is and always will be evil in the world. These children passed the ultimate test of faith and are now with him reaping their rewards. Actions such as these do nothing but seal the fact of the perpetrators. They will reap what they sow.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:59 pm to genuineLSUtiger
I guess you know that I'm a Christian, huh g? At the risk of losing the handle...I'd like to offer a scenario re you "serious question" about where was Jesus.
Scenario, for the sake of argument: Just suppose that our evolutionary/expansionist journey is eternal. That we live and die...just like we work for a day and rest/sleep for a night. And that we awaken after our rest, and start where we left off, on the worthy path that we choose to explore.
And just suppose, that the perfection of our perceptive character, is our chosen worthy path. And that we both embrace and employ the Principles of Jesus (Universal Love and Mercy, for them who are relatively further back on the path, as we are to them who are ahead of us).
Suppose - as children on this path - we confront challenging scenarios...wherein suffering injustice from ignorant or evil brethren, or even suffering from the infinitely (relatively chaotic/random) uncontrollable Universe...just suffering period........is it not possible that suffering is the only experience which can create empathy and compassion in one's personal character? Or even the vicarious witness of watching others suffer, from injustice/evil...or the random Universal version.
If you had a child...and in effect...you were his *Jesus*. Loving parent/savior, caretaker, leader into the molding of your child's character/perception. And you child began the worthy - and painful - process of building his/her character....and the question then becomes.....WOULD YOU INTERVENE in the (painful)process, which only through the experience of pain/injustice would the virtue of empathy/compassion be developed.....and just give to your child that which he might EARN for their self? Would you rob them of the potential pride that they would exhibit in a triumphant gift of thanks back to you, for your wise love and thoughtful guidance? Even though BOTH experience concurrent and extraordinary pain? But for future glory and love.
Bottom line re Jesus or God's (perceived) inaction. There are things that we must experience in order to refine and perfect character. It is the painful duty - guided by THE WORD of Truth - for both Jesus and His Father to REMAIN HANDS OFF...lest they spoil our chance to offer something back to them...of OUR OWN. I would consider that offering...the highest form of worship.
You asked!
Scenario, for the sake of argument: Just suppose that our evolutionary/expansionist journey is eternal. That we live and die...just like we work for a day and rest/sleep for a night. And that we awaken after our rest, and start where we left off, on the worthy path that we choose to explore.
And just suppose, that the perfection of our perceptive character, is our chosen worthy path. And that we both embrace and employ the Principles of Jesus (Universal Love and Mercy, for them who are relatively further back on the path, as we are to them who are ahead of us).
Suppose - as children on this path - we confront challenging scenarios...wherein suffering injustice from ignorant or evil brethren, or even suffering from the infinitely (relatively chaotic/random) uncontrollable Universe...just suffering period........is it not possible that suffering is the only experience which can create empathy and compassion in one's personal character? Or even the vicarious witness of watching others suffer, from injustice/evil...or the random Universal version.
If you had a child...and in effect...you were his *Jesus*. Loving parent/savior, caretaker, leader into the molding of your child's character/perception. And you child began the worthy - and painful - process of building his/her character....and the question then becomes.....WOULD YOU INTERVENE in the (painful)process, which only through the experience of pain/injustice would the virtue of empathy/compassion be developed.....and just give to your child that which he might EARN for their self? Would you rob them of the potential pride that they would exhibit in a triumphant gift of thanks back to you, for your wise love and thoughtful guidance? Even though BOTH experience concurrent and extraordinary pain? But for future glory and love.
Bottom line re Jesus or God's (perceived) inaction. There are things that we must experience in order to refine and perfect character. It is the painful duty - guided by THE WORD of Truth - for both Jesus and His Father to REMAIN HANDS OFF...lest they spoil our chance to offer something back to them...of OUR OWN. I would consider that offering...the highest form of worship.
You asked!
Posted on 12/13/14 at 6:08 pm to RCDfan1950
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There are things that we must experience in order to refine and perfect character. It is the painful duty - guided by THE WORD of Truth - for both Jesus and His Father to REMAIN HANDS OFF...lest they spoil our chance to offer something back to them...of OUR OWN. I would consider that offering...the highest form of worship.
Substitute Buddha or eastern religious thought for this. It is the same thing. You are a cosmic Christian. A Unitarian mindset. I agree completely. Religion is man just dressing up spirituality in it's own social, political garment depending on when and where. I understand there is negative and positive energy in the universe and we are destined to experience both in this particular incarnation into human form. You summed up your spiritual/religious/life philosophy earlier and I agree with that to a T. I grew up Southern Baptist and have a big problem with the fundamentalist closed minded mentality. It really pisses me off.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:44 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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It really pisses me off
I've met a ton of folk in my 64 years, gt...and I am extremely quick to instigate serious conversation about Religion (concepts...as I'm not much on the dogmatic stuff). I have found that if one truly respects their traditions/beliefs, but not without due diligence in challenging them on murky points...and love the folk in that process...I have made a helluva lot of good friends who are glad to see me coming. Though they pretty much know what they'll get. Beats the hell out of being pissed off. I save that for bold-faced liars and head choppers; though both may be legitimate ways to finding out just which side one really belongs on. Be well friend.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:38 pm to RCDfan1950
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It it's the former...the act of 'dying' is a expansion beyond the individual's limitations into an infinite and Conscious - and loving - Being. If it's the latter...'dying' is the dissolution and absorption of the unique characteristics which form a particular individual (form of life)...into a feeling-less and dispassionate void.
The kicker/trump card...COULD be...that the ultimate experience of death (dissolution)...is SUBJECTIVE; all depending upon the choice/belief/faith of the particular individual.
Two individuals die. Observed (Empirical) death would be the same for the individual who believed in God...as for the one who didn't. However, their (subjective) perception of the dissolution of their limited conscious perception...would be radically different. As one would dissolve into Conscious Love...and the other would simply dissolve.
An interesting viewpoint. I have a question however. It would seem that the characteristic of being a unique self or mind would dissolve upon death for having a mind would be part of an individual's essence. If true then how can the self experience or perceive death with the ability to perceive having dissolved?
Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:18 pm to RCDfan1950
Good stuff RCDAn... I resisted entering this thread but curiosity got me wondering why this week old story keeps going and getting to 4 pages. I'm still not clicking the link even if its just a news report.
I saw the Berg video and didn't think anything would disturb me more than that... Then I saw some muslim radicals in Syria(early Isis?) gun down two kids; one was sobbing the other was trying to comfort him and then they just gun down these two kids. That video disturbed me more than the Berg video.
I can't even imagine reading a story where they are beheading children...
One in this thread asks where is Jesus? A legitimate question.
Where was Jesus when the Romans were brutally persecuting the Christians??
But look what rose out of the ashes of Rome after it burned... A Church that rose, spread, and civilized Europe and the entire Mediterranean. This rise after the burning of Rome catapulted Western Civilization to where we are today and without Jesus "there" it would have just been a short lived dream by a few forward thinkers and we would be all throwing spears at each other instead of arguing on the internet...
I saw the Berg video and didn't think anything would disturb me more than that... Then I saw some muslim radicals in Syria(early Isis?) gun down two kids; one was sobbing the other was trying to comfort him and then they just gun down these two kids. That video disturbed me more than the Berg video.
I can't even imagine reading a story where they are beheading children...
One in this thread asks where is Jesus? A legitimate question.
Where was Jesus when the Romans were brutally persecuting the Christians??
But look what rose out of the ashes of Rome after it burned... A Church that rose, spread, and civilized Europe and the entire Mediterranean. This rise after the burning of Rome catapulted Western Civilization to where we are today and without Jesus "there" it would have just been a short lived dream by a few forward thinkers and we would be all throwing spears at each other instead of arguing on the internet...
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