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re: Is this is logical argument against man-made C02? Cambrian Period CO2 levels vs Current

Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:36 pm to
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But putting silly arguments like this forward only helps the climate alarmist cult.

CO2 is the climate alarmist main argument. So I disagree with your statement. Countering their main argument is legitimate. When they are pushing boondoggles like carbon capture plants and pushing them gases deep into the earth.....how is not the main talking point of the climate alarmist cult.
Posted by LSUbest
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:37 pm to
But they didn't pay extra taxes to save the planet during the Cambrian period.

Taxes and positioning China as the world leader is what this is about.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:44 pm to
Haha. I know what you mean. By no one, I meant scientists. I should have said so.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 4:48 pm to
There is enough doubt, and a reasonable enough theory, that I think it justifies a few billion dollar investment in studying the potential problem. Investing in current technologies, to reduce CO2, was nuts.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:00 pm to
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Meanwhile, the atmosphere is warming - for whatever reason.


Maybe it was the little ice age and we have been getting warmer ever since it ended?
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:09 pm to
It is crazy to look at that photo and realize there are billions of galaxies. OMG!!!
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:20 pm to
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But putting silly arguments like this forward only helps the climate alarmist cult.
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CO2 is the climate alarmist main argument.

I thought (at least that was my intent) I was responding to the "Cambrian CO2/temp" canard.

I may have replied to the wrong post - I agree the climate change cult is mostly misinformed, and gladly so.

It gives them something to get upset about they can blame on someone else.

My opinion is that we should be good stewards of the environment - but steer clear of out-on-the-edge catastrophe claims.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 5:23 pm to
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Maybe it was the little ice age and we have been getting warmer ever since it ended?

This is the basis of my response to anyone who wants to continue with the 'global warming' arm of the 'climate change' debate - especially if they attach the 'existential' concept to it.

We are really still in the recovery phase of the last major ice age - and there isn't much way to get out of an ice age without warming the climate.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Investing in current technologies, to reduce CO2, was nuts.

Personally, I'd just rather not wallow around in my own filth. That's why I'm all for reducing emissions, it just seems filthy. We're better than that, technology will advance our energy generation efficiency. In the future, I predict that energy will be as freely available as air.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:59 pm to
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I predict that energy will be as freely available as air.


Sure, we just have to get past the psychological and bureaucratic adversion to using the strong nuclear force and energy can be much cheaper and widely available.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
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1953 posts
Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:03 pm to
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using the strong nuclear force and energy can be much cheaper and widely available.

Exactly.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/16/25 at 9:19 pm to
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So when we had no man-made sources of GHG on Earth, the level was at at least 6x the level it is now?

Odd that we, as humans, somehow made GHG levels so dangerous now at 420ppm with our factories and cars... or do you now think there are natural factors at play??



Over the past few hundred million years, vegetation has absorbed carbon, and as it dies and rots, the carbon ends up trapped in the ground. The leftists complain because we now burn fossil fuels that put some of it back in the air.


Oddly enough it dropped to 180 ppm during the last glacial maximum, dangerously close to the 150 ppm that would end most life on earth.

ETA - This is the simplified explanation.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm pleased with a human-driven 420ppm. We narrowly escaped the extinction that comes when too much carbon is sequestered outside of the air we breathe.
This post was edited on 1/16/25 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:46 am to
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Personally, I'd just rather not wallow around in my own filth. That's why I'm all for reducing emissions, it just seems filthy. We're better than that, technology will advance our energy generation efficiency. In the future, I predict that energy will be as freely available as air.

There are no energy alternatives available today that don’t include waste. Wind turbines yield worn blades that must be disposed of in massive dumps; solar requires massive mining operations and has similar disposal problems; nuclear has painful disposal requirements; hydrocarbons yield CO2 and various other emissions. Hydroelectric is fairly clean, but limited. I can’t imagine where you are going to find clean power with no emissions that is also nearly free. But if you find it you will win a Nobel Prize.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:53 am to
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:41 pm to
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It is crazy to look at that photo and realize there are trillions and trillions of galaxies. OMG!!!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 1/18/25 at 4:01 pm to
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I can’t imagine where you are going to find clean power with no emissions that is also nearly free. But if you find it you will win a Nobel Prize.
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