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Is this bad? I was told no one was unemployed and the RE market was fine

Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:02 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:02 pm
Any day now the market will bounce back once rates drop!


Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:04 pm to
Hollywood people and RE agents are just skipping it and modifying
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:11 pm to
We are in a recession. The government will not say it because they are funding credit to many to save their asses in government.

They figured that out under Obama during 2008-2009.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 6:15 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30585 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:12 pm to
But but the latest employment numbers.

Everything from this administration is a lie. I mean literally everything from every bureau.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:15 pm to
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We are in a recession. The government will not say it because they are funding credit to many to save their asses in governme


They should get the word out to the millions of Americans living their best lives these days.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:21 pm to
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I was told that no one was unemployed and the RE market was fine.


Democrats lie. The mainstream media spreads the lies. Only the naive and stupid believe them.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3634 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 11:52 pm to
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They should get the word out to the millions of Americans living their best lives these days.


This is the least affordable economic climate in my lifetime.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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25438 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:13 am to
Don’t believe your lying eyes.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:18 am to
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They should get the word out to the millions of Americans living their best lives these days.


I am doing well, but in a different economic environment I would be living ridiculously well. I was talking with the wife that with our careers and positions in the past we would be affording a crazy luxurious lifestyle (like vacation properties, boats, rvs, etc.). Now the only people I know truly affording that are basically retired and had the items before the downturn.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13568 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:21 am to
What happened during 2016-2020 to make that rate plummet?

Oh, that’s right. Competency in office.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:34 am to
I don’t know if the economy is good, bad or otherwise, but that graph is not understood by the O.P. nor by most of the respondents. Mortgage delinquencies could be historically low and that graph still look that way, or they could be historically high.

That graph is just the percentage of delinquencies that are due to unemployment. The missing data is a graph showing the number of Delinquencies or the percentage of mortgages that are delinquent. If that is trending way up then it would be indicative of a bad economy.
Posted by Tarps99
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:17 am to
I wonder if that number included under employment where you are employed but not making enough to afford payments by now taking a lower paying job or working part time.

Another issue that is especially prevalent in the south and maybe even California your mortgage payments have increased due to increases in insurance (homeowners, flood, and earthquake) and property tax increases.

On top of the insurance increases, borrowing costs have doubled with interest rates increasing. Hopefully no one is dealing with an adjustable rate FHA loan or HELOC.

Also, how many borrowers are dealing with getting over extended with an increasing mortgage payment and they took on an overpriced auto payment for a new car or truck in the automotive shortage of 2021-2023.
Posted by Achilles Hill
Member since Mar 2024
233 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:20 am to
Just imagine how bad it would be if the government was not running trillion dollar deficits.

I blame Putin. *sarcasm*
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23698 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:13 am to
Actually, the rate of mortgages 90 days delinquent is lower now than during the Trump administration. Consumer financial Protection Bureau. What the OP’s graph shows is that one of the primary reasons for delinquency among the very small number that are delinquent is unemployment.

This is actually another sign of a very strong and healthy economy. Certainly better than the last administration.
Posted by GlazedDitchdigger
Member since May 2020
60 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:20 am to
2008 was a real shite-show under Obama.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98701 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:22 am to
quote:

Actually, the rate of mortgages 90 days delinquent is lower now than during the Trump administration. Consumer financial Protection Bureau. What the OP’s graph shows is that one of the primary reasons for delinquency among the very small number that are delinquent is unemployment.

This is actually another sign of a very strong and healthy economy. Certainly better than the last administration


Leave it to you to rely upon an Obama/Dem created unconstitutional agency for rebuttal
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:25 am to
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that with our careers and positions in the past we would be affording a crazy luxurious lifestyle (like vacation properties, boats, rvs, etc.).


Man what a depressing thing to ponder

Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:31 am to
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That graph is just the percentage of delinquencies that are due to unemployment. The missing data is a graph showing the number of Delinquencies or the percentage of mortgages that are delinquent. If that is trending way up then it would be indicative of a bad economy.



Oh you mean like this report showing that we are already way above pre CV levels and trending up monthly? Loss of income is the biggest reason given hence the chart in my OP. Your point is stupid though as that point alone has led to a significant increase in the 90-day late trend. This chart is FHA only FYI. No conventional loans are counted in it which is also trending up.

All of the data from 2020 is junk and should be thrown out. You have to compare to 2019 and prior to see the real trend. From about 2009 until 2019 foreclosures, 90 days later, etc were trending down yearly. That changed at the end of 2022

What's interesting is the amount of no contact has more than doubled. People aren't answering calls or the door when the bank sends a "mortgage inspector" out to try to make contact. The bank is trying to get these people into a loan modification program instead of foreclosing but people can't/won't even do that.








I do this for a living and I see it for all loan types. We are doing more evictions, initial secures, and final secures (meaning not even flippers are buying the house at auctions) than we were doing in 2017-2019. I didn't go back to check to see how much we were doing in 2016 and prior but I have been doing this since 2008 and I see the trends. I cover 14 states so my perspective is more than anecdotal.


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This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 7:33 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260293 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:32 am to
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The government will not say it because they are funding credit to many to save their asses in government.


Been happening since 2009.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167220 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:33 am to
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Actually, the rate of mortgages 90 days delinquent is lower now than during the Trump administration



You mean the junk data from 2020? You are a liar if you truly believe that.

It was all trending down yearly since about 2009. What happened in 2020 that changed that? Think really hard about it then get back to us, moron.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 7:34 am
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