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Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:48 am to 4cubbies
Who pays for all these rights? There are plenty of lazy asses who refuse to work so that means the people who do work have to pay for these “rights” you speak of. Sounds fair
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:49 am to 4cubbies
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At the end of the book, the author argued that housing should be viewed as a human right. It made me think of what could presently be considered a human right.
You don't have a right to someone else's labor. Full stop.
My right to choose whether to provide you a service trump's your right to my service. Thus, it's not a right.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:52 am to 4cubbies
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the author argued that housing should be viewed as a human right
Then the people building the housing must build regardless of circumstances, even if there’s no pay. Because the future occupants have a right to the structure.
While they’re at it, we should force them to build big granite pyramids.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 6:54 am
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:53 am to Ex-Popcorn
Her brain is gonna explode on this one. She cannot grasp this concept.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:10 am to 4cubbies
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Aristotle, Mark Twain, 4cubbies
One of these 3 is not like the others.
PS - Hey, I'll give you the answer you're looking for. If it wasn't for us racist white bastards, everything would be great. We would be living in a Utopia.
You know, like Africa, where they don't have those sorry white bastards ruining everything.
PS - You're welcome.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:14 am to 4cubbies
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These aren’t absolute rights. They are social constructs with stipulations, not “God given.”
They are absolutely absolute. God given means they are innate. A part of us, in our DNA. Doesn't matter if you believe in God or if God even exists..
Life, personal freedom, ability to express ourselves and protect ourselves.
Everything else is fake and gay.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:14 am to 4cubbies
Life
Liberty
Pursuit of Happiness
Liberty
Pursuit of Happiness
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:16 am to udtiger
quote:Only as basic as society makes it ...
Is there such thing as a basic human right?
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Life
Liberty
Pursuit of Happiness
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:20 am to 4cubbies
quote:God’s moral law dictates how humans are to act towards one another. We have the rights bestowed on us by God and He will judge those who violate those rights.
I recently read the book Evicted by Matthew Desmond. At the end of the book, the author argued that housing should be viewed as a human right. It made me think of what could presently be considered a human right. Rights are socially constructed, so there has to be consensus for a human right to exist. It’s also safe to say that US has different ideas about human rights than other Western countries.
If rights are bestowed merely by societal consensus, then we have no rights except what that consensus agrees upon for a time. Whatever those rights are are subject to change or revocation. Therefore there would be no basic human rights, but only societal rights.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:28 am to FooManChoo
quote:Rights of the soul, not of the flesh. “To Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.”
God’s moral law dictates how humans are to act towards one another. We have the rights bestowed on us by God and He will judge those who violate those rights.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:07 am to 4cubbies
A “Right “ is based on a Moral premise, and Morality is subjective and in the eye of the beholder. The societal structure and particular form of power therein will determine which (moral) Rights are respected and imposed on the population. Minus some form of ‘unifying’ Morality (the idea of a living and loving God/Creative Entity at the fore) the struggle for said power will be a dog fight. Rumors in regard to God’s appointed “Son/Savior” soon returning to Earth to save Humanity from their flawed and fatal Nature abound, and given the Technological dynamics of the traditional warfare that has heretofore determined the ruling powers, we will likely find out pretty quick. Otherwise it’ll be the “Fermi Paradox “.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:16 am to Von
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They are absolutely absolute. God given means they are innate. A part of us, in our DNA. Doesn't matter if you believe in God or if God even exists..
Unfortunately, there is really no such thing as a god given right. With regard to humanity all there is exist in what the powerful allow for the weak
Our forefathers in creating this country saw the above rights as god given but even those are taken away here regularly- see J6 and even Trump
If you were alone on an island you have the right to try and survive - that's it . But even in the US you do not necessarily even have the fruits of your own labor. Our rights are a societal construct that we all agree the government should allow - nothing more .
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:17 am to 4cubbies
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At the end of the book, the author argued that housing should be viewed as a human right
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:22 am to 4cubbies
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This is my thought, too. Maybe an argument can be made that people have a right to not be murdered but it’s not a protected right. No one can ensure that someone won’t be murdered.
Right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...I'd think being murdered may kind of go against a couple of those rights
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:22 am to 4cubbies
What does a right to housing mean? If it is like the right to bear arms, then I agree. The government should not be able to prohibit you from having housing, or owning a house.
If it is more along the lines of other people must ensure that I, and everyone else, has a house - then that is using "right" in a very different sense the way the word is normally used.
If it is more along the lines of other people must ensure that I, and everyone else, has a house - then that is using "right" in a very different sense the way the word is normally used.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:23 am to 4cubbies
quote:No.
Is there such thing as a basic human right?
quote:Correct, and our civilization recognizes certain basic rights, which we think all people SHOULD have.
Rights are socially constructed
Are "room and board" among those rights? Historically, no. Some people, like the author you reference, think that should change. Discussion of that possibility does not hurt anyone or anything.
Personally, I agree with the poster, who said that no person should have a "right" to.anything which requires seizure of the labor or resources of another person.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:25 am to 4cubbies
If a house is a human right then sex should be also.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:27 am to 4cubbies
Organized society cannot guarantee any “rights” that are contingent on the labor of others in that society. You are bastardizing the word “rights” to include left-wing ideas like government housing, UBI, or nationalized healthcare.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:31 am to 4cubbies
Ever read the Declaration of Independance? It is stated " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —— what could be the others they did not name?
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