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re: Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
I thought OP was a successful attorney with a beautiful wife and children.
Yet here is trolling a political sub forum of an SEC sports website with topic like this at 6 am.
Yikes
Yet here is trolling a political sub forum of an SEC sports website with topic like this at 6 am.
Yikes
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:58 am to Pecos Pedro
quote:
Yet here is trolling a political sub forum
Trolling?
I know I'm biased, but this is one of the better attempts at an actual deep discussion the past few days.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:how are you defining the Iran-backed Shia in Iraq and Syria going after American bases. The fatemuyoun brigade. Houthis and Hezbollah in Lebanon?
Which sovereign nation has Iran invaded immediately prior to this conflict?
Iran claiming plausible deniability is kind of out of question at this point. Or is that all deep state MIC CIA propaganda as well?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I mean, this is bordering on full on "globalist" scheme, beyond just the "Deep State" label.
Correct.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:01 am to SuperSaint
quote:
how are you defining the Iran-backed Shia in Iraq
Iran sending soldiers to fight in a military conflict to support the natives is not the same as an invasion of a sovereign nation.
quote:
and Syria
Syria was a proxy war between Iran and SA.
Not the same
etc.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Iran sending soldiers to fight in a military conflict to support the natives is not the same as an invasion of a sovereign nation.
Sooo Vietnam?
Except Iran is sending the Viet Cong into South Vietnam.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:U.S. intelligence failed to grasp that Khomeini intended to establish a rigid Islamic theocracy, not merely play a symbolic or transitional role. Hell, the DS even viewed Khomeini’s anti-communism as a possible asset.
There was no choice, at that point. That was a conflict we could not win. Control had been lost and we had no way to get it back.
The expectation was for a moderate, post-Shah coalition—perhaps with secular nationalists, leftists, or reformist clerics. The DS believed that,at worst, Khomeini could be "managed." But their actual fantasy was he would simply play a spiritual or figurehead role, "like Gandhi." It was as predictably stupid an assessment as anything they ever made.
Regarding your "loss of control" assertion, that culminated only after Carter’s human rights agenda pressured the Shah to liberalize at exactly the moment his regime was most vulnerable. There was no clear U.S. plan to prevent a worse regime from filling the vacuum. In a nutshell, they simply did not have a clue as to WTF they were doing.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:09 am to Narax
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Sooo Vietnam?
Except Iran is sending the Viet Cong into South Vietnam.
Vietnam but the US sending troops to support the South from the North.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:what about sending soldiers and arms to fire off the Yemen beaches at US flagged ships?
Iran sending soldiers to fight in a military conflict to support the natives is not the same as an invasion of a sovereign nation.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:41 am to SuperSaint
quote:
what about sending soldiers and arms to fire off the Yemen beaches at US flagged ships?
That could be described as an attack on US assets outside of the US, but what does that have to do with an invasion?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Immaculate constellation
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Iran sending soldiers to fight in a military conflict to support the natives is not the same as an invasion of a sovereign nation.
So you are totally discounting de facto Iranian actions via Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:47 am to NC_Tigah
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So you are totally discounting de facto Iranian actions via Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis?
Discounting? No. They use these proxies to attack plenty.
I'm distinguishing state-backed terror/action and invasion of sovereign nations
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:48 am to NC_Tigah
Viet Nam
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:“… unburdened by what has been”?
but what does that have to do with an invasion?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:51 am to NC_Tigah
Again, you give an example of a terrorist attack, not an invasion.
What territory did they occupy after October 7?
No. Understands English
What territory did they occupy after October 7?
quote:
“… unburdened by what has been”?
No. Understands English
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:54 am to NC_Tigah
See, that’s the cool thing the media and MIC does. They call every attack in the middle east Iran-backed without ever showing proof. They have never shown the cards with respect to October 7, for instance.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, you give an example of a terrorist attack, not an invasion.
Roughly six THOUSAND (6,000) Hamas combatants invaded Israel on October 7, 2023.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:58 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:For instance ...
They have never shown the cards with respect to October 7, for instance.
“We kiss the hands of those who planned the attack”
–– Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme Leader
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:58 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Roughly six THOUSAND (6,000) Hamas combatants invaded Israel on October 7, 2023.
They entered (using language of your picture) Israel to commit a horrible terrorist attack.
What territory did they occupy? What state apparatus did they seize and control?
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