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Is there any liberal/conservative acceptance?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:36 pm
Speaking generally, is there aspect of conservatism that liberals truly accept?
And how about the other way around? Do conservatives accept any aspect of liberalism?
By accept I mean disagree with but understand how the other side can think the way they do and tolerate that someone could have such an opinion/ belief without thinking they’re just a bad person or dumb.
And how about the other way around? Do conservatives accept any aspect of liberalism?
By accept I mean disagree with but understand how the other side can think the way they do and tolerate that someone could have such an opinion/ belief without thinking they’re just a bad person or dumb.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 8:37 pm
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:44 pm to baybeefeetz
I’m conservative and could give two shits who someone bangs behind close doors… outside of that, nothing I can think of.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:44 pm to back9Tiger
Who says conservatives are worried about who ducks whom?
That’s what I hate. The definition of conservative is so bastardized.
That’s what I hate. The definition of conservative is so bastardized.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:45 pm to baybeefeetz
Absolutely,
I understand and respect the conservative focus on personal responsibility. I, and many, respect the idea around secure borders (without the sometimes blantant racism). I agree that we need to support the police, cut red tape for businesses, and support families.
But I also believe that income inequality needs to be addressed. I believe that since we didn't give freed slaves their '40 acres and a mule' and instead inacted horrible Jim Crow policies for decades, that systematic racism has created the huge chasm between white and black wealth and that we owe it to them to address.
I believe that it's insane that we spend so much on health care but have shitty results that bankrupt too many and that our society would be much better if we adopted/copied the successes of Norway, Sweden, Denmark - the countries that always show up at the top of the happiest countries in the world.
In short, there's a lot to learn and respect about each other-- and a lot that drives each side crazy. that's why a third party is necessary.
I understand and respect the conservative focus on personal responsibility. I, and many, respect the idea around secure borders (without the sometimes blantant racism). I agree that we need to support the police, cut red tape for businesses, and support families.
But I also believe that income inequality needs to be addressed. I believe that since we didn't give freed slaves their '40 acres and a mule' and instead inacted horrible Jim Crow policies for decades, that systematic racism has created the huge chasm between white and black wealth and that we owe it to them to address.
I believe that it's insane that we spend so much on health care but have shitty results that bankrupt too many and that our society would be much better if we adopted/copied the successes of Norway, Sweden, Denmark - the countries that always show up at the top of the happiest countries in the world.
In short, there's a lot to learn and respect about each other-- and a lot that drives each side crazy. that's why a third party is necessary.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:46 pm to back9Tiger
Agreed.
Socially I’m pretty liberal, well I was before all this woke bullshite. Do what you want, but don’t demand I believe something that’s scientifically impossible.
Men (XY) cannot give birth and are not women (XX). I DGAF what you feel.
Socially I’m pretty liberal, well I was before all this woke bullshite. Do what you want, but don’t demand I believe something that’s scientifically impossible.
Men (XY) cannot give birth and are not women (XX). I DGAF what you feel.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:46 pm to baybeefeetz
The whole gay thing is still A source of contention for some.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:48 pm to baybeefeetz
The American left isn’t “liberal” so stop calling these fascists and commies liberal.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:48 pm to SBBruin28
quote:
racism has created the huge chasm between white and black wealth and that we owe it to them to address.
You seem like a reasonable person. do you believe it has created a chasm in IQ? And do you think that needs to be addressed?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:49 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:There was a time when liberals were the free speech absolutists and I was all in with them on that.
And how about the other way around? Do conservatives accept any aspect of liberalism?
But today? I literally can't think of anything significant liberals stand for that I support.
You MIGHT think something like legalizing marijuana but, let's be honest here. It's clear that even that isn't across the board on liberals or it would be legal more places.
I suppose gay marriage but, I barely consider that an issue and now that it's obvious that the only reason libs support ANY of that shite is to stick a thumb in the eye of society, I'm not really sure I count that as a "liberal" issue. Hell, wait till they figure out how to test for the possibility of being gay in vitro and watch how fast liberals abandon gays who want to stop those abortions!!!
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:52 pm to baybeefeetz
Conservatism = When change is not necessary, it is necessary not to change.
Progressivism =
Progressivism must move goalposts. If it doesn't, it becomes conservatism
Progressivism =
Progressivism must move goalposts. If it doesn't, it becomes conservatism
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:52 pm to baybeefeetz
I accept and agree with some economic ideas that are foundational to modern conservatives. Primarily, that capitalism is the engine by which our society and the world can best prosper. Where I would diverge is when the variety of capitalism is laissez faire or free market capitalism. Some of the most prosperous times in our nations history have been marked by well regulated capitalism, and properly administered marginal tax rates. I don’t buy Reaganomics, and think Laffer is full of shite.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:53 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
Do conservatives accept any aspect of liberalism?
Weed
- Legalize it
Police reform (not defunded!)
-Body cameras are an example of this.
Don’t ask don’t tell
-Queers should be able to die for our country just like anyone else
Juneteenth
- celebrating the Emancipation Proclamation is okay by me.
That’s all that comes to mind.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:56 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
You seem like a reasonable person. do you believe it has created a chasm in IQ? And do you think that needs to be addressed?
No and study after study has debunked Eugenics.
What I believe is that poverty and trauma are hard cycles to break. And I agree that the family structure has exacerbated those issues. I work at a large high school in California where the white students (largely middle/upper class) significantly outperform Hispanic/Latino and Black students (predominantly socio-economically disadvantaged)--- and it comes down to the same issues- the white students parents have time to make them study, know how to help with homework, and have high expectations. The Hispanic/Black work multiple jobs and struggle just to get by so they can't provide the same supports as the white families. Doesn't mean they are less intelligent, but the cycle is hard to break for sure. So if we address poverty, and also shift how we educate (a long story that I'll skip for now), I think that's the answer.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:03 pm to SBBruin28
quote:
So if we address poverty, and also shift how we educate (a long story that I'll skip for now), I think that's the answer.
How?
Nobody is pro-poverty. How does a government "address poverty"? Be specific.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:05 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:
Weed
- Legalize it
Police reform (not defunded!)
-Body cameras are an example of this.
Don’t ask don’t tell
-Queers should be able to die for our country just like anyone else
Juneteenth
- celebrating the Emancipation Proclamation is okay by me.
That’s all that comes to mind.
As a liberal I agree on all of these.
Defund the Police was one of the most ridiculous slogans to come out of woke-ism. It had a built in counter narrative, when the real discussions should have been focused on reform.
One of my big issues with modern liberals is woke-ism. Every societal problem doesn’t need to be framed solely along a racial divide. That’s not to say there aren’t still issues of racism that need to be addressed, but a lot of those issues would be resolved by focusing on reforms that benefit all. There are many instances of bad policing negatively affecting white, Latino, black people, etc. Woke-ism alienates potential allies in the move to reform, and creates a myopic approach to that reform.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:05 pm to SBBruin28
quote:
Norway, Sweden, Denmark - the countries that always show up at the top of the happiest countries in the world.
They are overwhelmingly white.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:06 pm to baybeefeetz
Conservatism and classical liberalism have quite a bit in common.
Conservatism and statist tyranny, not so much.
Conservatism and statist tyranny, not so much.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:06 pm to SBBruin28
quote:
But I also believe that income inequality needs to be addressed. I believe that since we didn't give freed slaves their '40 acres and a mule' and instead inacted horrible Jim Crow policies for decades, that systematic racism has created the huge chasm between white and black wealth and that we owe it to them to address.
Jim Crow, Slavery, and the atrocities associated with the civil rights movement were horrible chapters in our nations history.
However, some of that has been addressed via quotas, minority set asides, and affirmative action.
Trump gets shot of by the left, but his “Economic Opportunity Zones” were designed to impact poor communities...most of which were predominantly black. In addition to that, he secured long term funding for HBCU’s.
The word that comes to mind is ungrateful.
I believe that it's insane that we spend so much on health care but have shitty results that bankrupt too many and that our society would be much better if we adopted/copied the successes of Norway, Sweden, Denmark - the countries that always show up at the top of the happiest countries in the world.
With US taxpayers covering a sizable chunk of those nations costs...I guess they are happy.
Here is a link on why Sweden ISN’T socialist.
5 minutes - it may surprise you
Feel free to comment on my list. Your insight is appreciated. After all, we aren’t a commie country just yet....
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:08 pm to Philzilla2k
quote:
They are overwhelmingly white.
Not anymore.
Somalia is showing them who the captain is.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:10 pm to SBBruin28
quote:Liberal fantasy
(without the sometimes blantant racism)
quote:Made up concept
that systematic racism
quote:Depends on which results you want to talk about. It ain't no accident that rich people from other parts of the world often come HERE for treatment.
I believe that it's insane that we spend so much on health care but have shitty results
quote:Why are you so racist?
if we adopted/copied the successes of Norway, Sweden, Denmark - the countries that always show up at the top of the happiest countries in the world.
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