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re: Is the scuttling of Operation Northwoods by JFK a valid assassination theory?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
The "mainstream" conspiracy theory is the JFK did various things to piss off the CIA, then rogue elements of the CIA arranged the assassination. The Mob was also pissed off at JFK and probably would have offered support.
Back then the CIA had "cells" that operated quite independently of FedGov oversight. Some of these cells had connections and ties to The Mob. There was precedent for FedGov-Mob cooperation going all the way back to WW2 when the US FedGov arranged with The Mob to minimize the threat of dockworker strikes.
Fast forward to 2019. The CIA and the FBI, AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS of those two agencies, conspired and worked to discredit and unseat a duly elected POTUS. If they could get away with having somebody blow his brains out, surely, IMHO, they would have done that.
Back then the CIA had "cells" that operated quite independently of FedGov oversight. Some of these cells had connections and ties to The Mob. There was precedent for FedGov-Mob cooperation going all the way back to WW2 when the US FedGov arranged with The Mob to minimize the threat of dockworker strikes.
Fast forward to 2019. The CIA and the FBI, AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS of those two agencies, conspired and worked to discredit and unseat a duly elected POTUS. If they could get away with having somebody blow his brains out, surely, IMHO, they would have done that.
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Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:58 am to TeLeFaWx
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You just listen to Alex Jones on Rogan? I bet the google searches spiked like crazy for Operation Northwoods, Operation Paperclip and the Gulf of Tonkin. Also I guess human/pig hybrids and Nazis communicating with aliens.
How many views does it have on YouTube? 4 million?
90% of that is based on real shite. Im not sure about the human pig hybrid thing, but the NAZI for sure were into the occult, and did seances to try and get info to win the war.
The rest of what you typed is all declassified and real. I'm not sure why you are hating.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:28 am to GumboPot
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Your jaw tenses up and you want to chew stuff. Your face is numb so shite happens.
Technically I think it’s just amphetamine salt. I don’t know the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine, but that extra meth part seems to make it go from zero to one hundred real quick.
Your jaw tenses up and you want to chew stuff. Your face is numb so shite happens.
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And adderall and vyvanse are simply crystal meth (methamphetamine) with different time release mechanisms.
Technically I think it’s just amphetamine salt. I don’t know the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine, but that extra meth part seems to make it go from zero to one hundred real quick.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:30 am to russellvillehog
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The rest of what you typed is all declassified and real. I'm not sure why you are hating.
Not hating at all, and I’m not sure what people are seeing as hate from my post.
I have defended Alex Jones multiple times on here and listened to that podcast twice. All 4 hours and 40 minutes of it. It’s why I knew what triggered the question. No hate was intended. Not sure how it came across that way.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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Technically I think it’s just amphetamine salt. I don’t know the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine, but that extra meth part seems to make it go from zero to one hundred real quick.
You are correct. I just checked. I was going off my organic chemistry from 25 years ago. My memory failed me. Adderall and vyvanse are amphetamine based not methamphetamine.
Maybe I need adderall.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:37 am to GumboPot
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Maybe I need adderall.
I know this was a bit tongue and cheek, but I’ve taken plenty of adderall and it’s a great drug that can really help you. It can easily be abused and if you take it recreationally with drinking, the dehydration makes your hangovers 20x worse, but it has good applications.
However, I’ve been keto for the last three months, and the brain burning ketones is a legit thing for focus. I don’t think keto is a sustainable diet, or even necessary, but a low insulin state does have lots of benefits.
Since you’re probably not going to go get a prescription for adderall, as again I get that it was a joke, if you’re actually having the post-lunch crash and want to be a little more alert throughout the day, I’d highly recommend trying keto for a couple weeks.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:39 am to GumboPot
Kennedy would be considered a centrist Republican today.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:45 am to Roaad
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I am inclined to accept one of 2 theories: Lone gunman Oswald, and the Oswald/accidental Secret Serviceman.
I accept only one of those theories. - Oswald = only shooter.
Now the motivation for Oswald is under suspicion. One is that he was just out to shoot someone important as a poster above alluded to - i.e. just to 'make history'
However I will never shed my suspicion that this all occurred by the hand of Lyndon Baines Johnson. I will admit that this suspicion is hard to shed because of my lifelong hatred for LBJ - instilled in me by my grandfather starting in the 40's.
Johnson achieved his passion to be POTUS - and he had no other avenue. He knew he could not wait for the end of a 2nd term. His political career was launched amidst incidences of suspicious 'suicides' = which was the reason my grandfather hated him all his life. He was convinced LBJ was a murderer and a corrupt politician.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:48 am to TeLeFaWx
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I get that it was a joke, if you’re actually having the post-lunch crash and want to be a little more alert throughout the day, I’d highly recommend trying keto for a couple weeks.
I know what you are talking about. I've done keto. I just can't sustain it. But I do somewhat intermittent fast regularly. I just eat lunch and dinner through the week. I screw up during the weekends because of wine and beer.
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:56 am to dpd901
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No. Oswald did it. Oswald did it alone. 55 years after the fact, not a single CONCRETE, irrefutable piece of evidence proving a conspiracy has been brought forward. Not a single, CREDIBLE witness has come forward claiming to be a part of a conspiracy. Surely, one of them would have broken by now?
The forensics and ballistics all point to 3 shots, 2 of which hit Kennedy and Connely, all fired from the 6th floor window of the depository, by a rifle Oswald bought and took photographs with. Oswald attempted to kill General Walker not long before the assassination and he also wanted to take a shot at Nixon when he was in Dallas, but Marina locked him in the bathroom of their house. He was a nut with delusions of grandeur.
I’ve walked the site at Dealey Plaza multiple times.
There’s no way it all went down the way the Warren Commission spelled it out.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:00 am to Godfather1
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I’ve walked the site at Dealey Plaza multiple times.
There’s no way it all went down the way the Warren Commission spelled it out.
I have walked the site at Dealy Plaza almost a dozen times, driven the route, been to the 6th Floor of the TSBD, and more.
There is NOTHING at all that can be gleaned about the site, the route, Oswald's rifle, Oswald's aim, the timing, SS activity, etc..... NOTHING that does anything but prove the most obvious and likely series of events are VERY similar to the Warren Commission's report.
Is that report flawless? No. But the preponderance of the evidence shows it to absolute fall within the most likely sequence of events.
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:08 am to dpd901
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No. Oswald did it. Oswald did it alone.
Agreed. The only questions remaining imo are who put him up to it and why?
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:11 am to ShoeBang
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Keep telling yourself that. It might be true one day.
Adderal and vyvanse are absolutely analogous to crystal meth. Keep telling yourself your parents didn't get you hooked for life as a youngster, maybe it will be true one day, junky
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 11:12 am
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:14 am to ManBearTiger
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Adderal and vyvanse are absolutely analogous to crystal meth.
So they make Adderall with lighter fluid and sinus medicine in the factory? And people who do Adderall have sores all over their faces and lose their teeth right?
Exact same thing. You got it.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 11:33 am to JackieTreehorn
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The only questions remaining imo are who put him up to it and why?
In your esteemed opinion, who put Oswald up to his FIRST assassination attempt? And why?
Or are you unfamiliar with his attempt on Major General Edwin Walker?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 12:04 pm to JPinLondon
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I have walked the site at Dealy Plaza almost a dozen times, driven the route, been to the 6th Floor of the TSBD, and more.
There is NOTHING at all that can be gleaned about the site, the route, Oswald's rifle, Oswald's aim, the timing, SS activity, etc..... NOTHING that does anything but prove the most obvious and likely series of events are VERY similar to the Warren Commission's report.
Reasonable people can agree to disagree.
I’m not seeing it.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 12:04 pm to GumboPot
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I know what you are talking about. I've done keto. I just can't sustain it. But I do somewhat intermittent fast regularly. I just eat lunch and dinner through the week. I screw up during the weekends because of wine and beer.
Supposedly there are dry wines that are super keto friendly, but yeah. The weekends is what got me. I was strict keto for 70 days, but haven’t really been since. Great habits for weekdays have remained though. Which is great.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 12:18 pm to Godfather1
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Reasonable people can agree to disagree.
I’m not seeing it.
Ok, I can agree to that. Cheers, my friend.
But back it up! WHAT did you see in Dealy Plaza that rubs you the wrong way during your numerous trips there.
Honestly, give me your #1 "no way" observation.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 12:29 pm to JPinLondon
One thing about the JFK murder that I've always questioned was the refusal of the Secret Service/ Feds to allow an autopsy to be done in Dallas by the local coroner, following Dallas law. They scuttled the body back to DC for the autopsy to be done by military doctors.
Was there something about the autopsy findings that the Feds didn't want released?
Was there something about the autopsy findings that the Feds didn't want released?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 12:34 pm to dpd901
Not a conspiracy nut, but 3 shots is hard to buy. One shot fragmented and exploded Kennedy's head like a watermelon. One shot:
The theory says that a three-centimeter (1.2?)-long copper-jacketed lead-core 6.5×52mm Mannlicher–Carcano rifle bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository passed through President Kennedy's neck and went into Governor Connally's chest, went through his wrist, and embedded itself in the Governor's thigh. If so, this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of muscle tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. The bullet was found on a gurney in the corridor at Parkland Memorial Hospital after the assassination. The Warren Commission found that this gurney was the one that had borne Governor Connally.[4] This bullet became a key exhibit for the Commission. Its copper jacket was completely intact. While the bullet's nose appeared normal, the tail was compressed laterally on one side.
And came out looking like:
The third has to be the shot that injured the man at the bridge/overpass. I think this is the basis for a lot of the conspiracy theories. It just doesn't make sense.
The theory says that a three-centimeter (1.2?)-long copper-jacketed lead-core 6.5×52mm Mannlicher–Carcano rifle bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository passed through President Kennedy's neck and went into Governor Connally's chest, went through his wrist, and embedded itself in the Governor's thigh. If so, this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of muscle tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. The bullet was found on a gurney in the corridor at Parkland Memorial Hospital after the assassination. The Warren Commission found that this gurney was the one that had borne Governor Connally.[4] This bullet became a key exhibit for the Commission. Its copper jacket was completely intact. While the bullet's nose appeared normal, the tail was compressed laterally on one side.
And came out looking like:
The third has to be the shot that injured the man at the bridge/overpass. I think this is the basis for a lot of the conspiracy theories. It just doesn't make sense.
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 12:37 pm
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