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Is the chaos in America wrongly labeled a Marxist revolution?
Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:55 pm
Undoubtedly Marxism is prevalent amongst leftist politicians/educators/leaders and they are taking full advantage of the pandemic and civil disorder to spread their shite ideology, but I’m not sure if most of the domestic enemies in America are actually Marxists.
The basic principles of Marxism seem to be focused more on economics (seizing the means of production, spreading wealth/ giving the working class their fair share, yada yada). The radical leftist hate groups don’t seem to care about economics, the distribution of goods, or the working class. They just want complete unbridled control.
This makes me think they are actually Stalinists. The left wants to obtain Totalitarian rule by any means necessary; using censorship to control the flow of information to gain public obedience, loyalty, and support, while sponsoring violent hate groups (BLM/Antifa) to intimidate dissenters. The radical left can no longer be classified as liberals (Stalin hated liberalism). They are authoritarians
TLDR: the Democrats are the party of Joseph Stalin
The basic principles of Marxism seem to be focused more on economics (seizing the means of production, spreading wealth/ giving the working class their fair share, yada yada). The radical leftist hate groups don’t seem to care about economics, the distribution of goods, or the working class. They just want complete unbridled control.
This makes me think they are actually Stalinists. The left wants to obtain Totalitarian rule by any means necessary; using censorship to control the flow of information to gain public obedience, loyalty, and support, while sponsoring violent hate groups (BLM/Antifa) to intimidate dissenters. The radical left can no longer be classified as liberals (Stalin hated liberalism). They are authoritarians
TLDR: the Democrats are the party of Joseph Stalin
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:58 pm to MurderHornet
I would say 90% of who you’re seeing out there don’t know or care about Marxism.
You can argue they’re being guided by Marxist’s, but real Marxism’s isn’t happening.
Who is even the modern proletariat?
You can argue they’re being guided by Marxist’s, but real Marxism’s isn’t happening.
Who is even the modern proletariat?
Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:58 pm to MurderHornet
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the chaos in America wrongly labeled a Marxist revolution?
Yes
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Undoubtedly Marxism is prevalent amongst leftist politicians/educators/leaders
You don't know many left wingers do you?quote:
the Democrats are the party of Joseph Stalin
Ah yes the party that think Bernie a social Democrat is too radical is a communist party.
Takes like this is why I can't take PT seriously but it does give me some good entertainment
Posted on 7/17/20 at 12:59 pm to MurderHornet
BLM and Antifa are so intensely retarded that it’s hard to classify them based on anything we’ve seen in history.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:06 pm to MurderHornet
quote:No, it's some boomer from the 60's fantasy of what a marxist revolution should be.
Is the chaos in America wrongly labeled a Marxist revolution?
Still just as potentially destructive though.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:06 pm to MurderHornet
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Is the chaos in America wrongly labeled a Marxist revolution?
No.
Look no further than on the 4th of July the American flag being trampled on while they declare a starting the next communist revolution.
Marxism falls to authoritarians and tyrants because at the end of the day you can only predict one thing. Human nature and those that believe they need power.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:08 pm to dawgfan24348
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Ah yes the party that think Bernie a social Democrat is too radical is a communist party. Takes like this is why I can't take PT seriously but it does give me some good entertainment
While you are playing the conspiracy theory card, care to prove my take wrong?
Are the Democrats not being authoritarians? Are they not using censorship to control the flow of information? Have they or have they not been pumping out propaganda and advocating for violence, while acting like tyrants and telling people they can’t go to church?
Look at what is happening in California and compare it to the early stages of the Soviet Union. Can you honestly tell the difference?
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:10 pm to MurderHornet
It's hard to argue against the distinction you laid out in your OP.
I believe this is a very uninformed gathering of radicals who may well be shocked at what they produce.
I believe this is a very uninformed gathering of radicals who may well be shocked at what they produce.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:10 pm to MurderHornet
Whether they go by Marxist, Bolshevik, Communist or Stalinist,
they all need a helicopter ride.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:14 pm to MurderHornet
This is what communist revolutions look like, dude.
The label is 100% correct, you are hashing semantics.
The label is 100% correct, you are hashing semantics.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:18 pm to Jay Quest
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I believe this is a very uninformed gathering of radicals who may well be shocked at what they produce.
Correct. They’re literally too stupid to classify.
If pressed, I’m sure most protesters would classify themselves as socialist. But they’re not driven by economics. They’re driven by a childish hatred of authority and mindless hatred of white men. Even the white protesters.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:18 pm to MurderHornet
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The basic principles of Marxism seem to be focused more on economics (seizing the means of production, spreading wealth/ giving the working class their fair share, yada yada). The radical leftist hate groups don’t seem to care about economics, the distribution of goods, or the working class. They just want complete unbridled control.
I think it's an attempt to allow Democrats and other liberals a chance to denounce these groups. However, the entirety of the left is so ate up with TDS that they will promote literally anything that might be harmful to the president.
They were given a chance to distance themselves many times from the batshit crazies. They've failed to do so. You are correct, they are mislabeled as marxist. They should all be lumped into one group known as the left/liberal/Democrats.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:19 pm to MurderHornet
I’d say cultural marxism is a more accurate descriptor than actual marxism. But even more accurately than that, the chaos is specifically coming from a field of thought called Critical Theory, a product of the Frankfurt school. That said, the foundation of the Frankfurt school was an attempt to explain why Marxism was failing to catch on in the west despite being superior to capitalism, so it’s really just another color of the same flimsy coat.
Here is the core of critical theory:
Here is the core of critical theory:
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The purpose of critical theory is to analyze the true significance of the ruling understandings (the dominant ideology) generated in bourgeois society, by showing that the dominant ideology misrepresents how human relations occur in the real world, and how such misrepresentations function to justify and legitimate the domination of people by capitalism.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:20 pm to MurderHornet
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The radical leftist hate groups don’t seem to care about economics
Wrong
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:23 pm to MurderHornet
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Are they not using censorship to control the flow of information?
Both parties do this and have been doing this for a while now. However it's mostly through private organizations like Twitter so your question is disingenuous at best
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Have they or have they not been pumping out propaganda and advocating for violence
No they haven't. Again a few people with voices have been calling for it but that is by far not the general population
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telling people they can’t go to church?
Funny you zero on this also this is about avoiding large gatherings not attacking religion but keep playing the victim
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Look at what is happening in California and compare it to the early stages of the Soviet Union.
Now that's hilarious
While you could make an arguement that some governors and mayors have gone overboard it could be them overcompensating because they want to avoiding becoming the next New York.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:25 pm to SammyTiger
After the failures of the USSR, China, and other Marxist states to produce the promised utopia, Marxist "philosophers" switched from class to race instead of admitting they were wrong. IOW, minorities are the replacement proletariat, along with young college grads with high debt and useless degrees.
You admit Marxists are leading the rebellion, but that their intent isn't "real Marxism". If that's the case, why are they bothering?
You admit Marxists are leading the rebellion, but that their intent isn't "real Marxism". If that's the case, why are they bothering?
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:26 pm to MurderHornet
Here's the readers digest definition of Marxism.
Marxism is a political and economic way of organizing society, where the workers own the means of production. Socialism is a way of organizing a society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the proletariat. Marx proposed that this was the next necessary step in the progress of history.
So I would say what's happening today in America with BLM, antifa and the Prog/Dim leftists is a gumbo of Marxism and socialism/communism ideologies. Bottom line the overall result is an all powerful federal government that's totally aligned with NWO Globalism.
Marxism is a political and economic way of organizing society, where the workers own the means of production. Socialism is a way of organizing a society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the proletariat. Marx proposed that this was the next necessary step in the progress of history.
So I would say what's happening today in America with BLM, antifa and the Prog/Dim leftists is a gumbo of Marxism and socialism/communism ideologies. Bottom line the overall result is an all powerful federal government that's totally aligned with NWO Globalism.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:32 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:Don’t be that guy. Even the most biased observer can easily acknowledge that the calls for censorship are extremely asymmetric right now. That shouldn’t be in question.
Both parties do this and have been doing this for a while now
quote:I agree that calls for actual violence have been disproportionately propped up to make them seem more prevalent than they actually are. That said, I strongly believe that many of the non-violent policy proposals coming from the left will actually lead to more violence in society (ie, defund the police)
Again a few people with voices have been calling for it but that is by far not the general population
quote:If the only thing driving these decisions were preventing large gatherings, then the same politicians would be denouncing the protests as a public safety risk. So clearly, some things matter more to these politicians than the virus. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the parts of the first amendment that support their objectives are getting approved (right to peacefully protest) while the parts of the first amendment that they don’t embrace (religious freedom) aren’t.
Funny you zero on this also this is about avoiding large gatherings not attacking religion but keep playing the victim
quote:You’re correct here; we aren’t close to the mechanisms used by the Bolsheviks to obtain power. But I don’t think it’s outlandish to see that many of the goals overlap.
Now that's hilarious
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:34 pm to jat912
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After the failures of the USSR, China, and other Marxist states to produce the promised utopia, Marxist "philosophers" switched from class to race instead of admitting they were wrong. IOW, minorities are the replacement proletariat, along with young college grads with high debt and useless degrees.
I would be interested in seeing who actually tried to switch Marxism to race, because the core principles can’t apply to a racial minority.
Inherently it’s about the working class seizing power from the controlling bourgeoise class.
The dictatorship of the proletariat assumes the proletariat is the majority of people in a country.
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You admit Marxists are leading the rebellion, but that their intent isn't "real Marxism". If that's the case, why are they bothering?
I admit They may want it, but don’t think the economic forces are there.’I dont think there is a unified proletariat that can actually get a revolution done.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 1:39 pm to SammyTiger
quote:The Frankfurt School and their offshoot of Critical Theory thinkers
I would be interested in seeing who actually tried to switch Marxism to race
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