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re: Is it wrong to expect thots to cover themselves around children?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:49 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:49 pm to FooManChoo
quote:That is the design. Do you choose your apparel in a way so as to be unattractive? Should women? What about women in make-up, painted nails, perfume? It is all to enhance attractiveness, which entails attracting, which connotes sexuality. Your contrived boundaries are specious.
If fashionable clothing accentuates the sexual desirability of an individual, yes.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:49 pm to AlterEgo89
quote:That's sad that you think any form of modesty is equivalent to "invent[ing] Islam".
The logical conclusion would be to cover up completely,
any objects of lust should cover up.
Oh wait, Foo has literally just invented Islam hahahahahahahaha
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:51 pm to oklahogjr
quote:All people have a responsibility to obey God.
Well if both sides are Christian. .
But as a proud non-christian, i can't possibly see how I have a responsibility to dress myself in a way that helps you uphold your beliefs.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Physical attraction is not the same as sexual attraction. Beauty is not the same concept as lust.
That is the design. Do you choose your apparel in a way so as to be unattractive? Should women? What about women in make-up, painted nails, perfume? It is all to enhance attractiveness, which entails attracting, which connotes sexuality. Your contrived boundaries are specious.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:55 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
All people have a responsibility to obey God.
So do we have a responsibility to obey Allah as to not cause Muslims to sin?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 3:21 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:there’s literally 2 (TWO) in the entire state of Louisiana
abortion clinics operating on every street corner.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 3:26 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Yet you will change your jeans style and shirt color to be thoughtful and sanctimonious.
Some will be more attracted to a particular set than another
You just setting up those others.
Can we agree on a universal dress code, so that we dont offend or tempt?
Sanctified? So you are either without sin, which we know is not possible.
Or it means you are set apart, which you are by your believe in a risen savior. So all these noble gestures you are putting forth to declare yourself as a 'better' Christian are kinda funky.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 3:27 pm to FooManChoo
quote:That depends on the "beauty" and the beholder, doesn't it though?
Beauty is not the same concept as lust.
E.g., Do you think the girls in the OP intended to be sexually attractive to the lunatic. Of course not! Yet he obviously felt such was their effort.
Words have meaning.
Consider that meaning in terms of the word "attractive".
We already addressed pedophlia.
You seem to hold parents rather than pedophiles responsible for the kid's "attractiveness". You actually went so far as to say the kid should not be allowed outside the house if a neighbor is a suspected pedophile and might get off on the visual.
An attractive Swedish girl innocently sashaying down Norr Mälarstrand in shorts and sandals might not get a second turn from you or I. But for an 18y/o testosterone infused Arab who's never seen a girl outside of a beekeeper's outfit, "lust" might lead to attempted rape. Is that the girl's fault?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 3:42 pm to FooManChoo
You could, y'know, just admire the view and not smack her arse if your aren't with her.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 3:55 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:of course it is her fault.
Arab who's never seen a girl outside of a beekeeper's outfit, "lust" might lead to attempted rape. Is that the girl's fault?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 6:24 pm to oklahogjr
quote:No. There is only one God (Yahweh), His son, Jesus Christ, the the Holy Spirit that comprise the one God in three persons. Allah is not a god to obey and worship towards him would be idolatry.
So do we have a responsibility to obey Allah as to not cause Muslims to sin?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 6:27 pm to FooManChoo
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No. There is only one God (Yahweh), His son, Jesus Christ, the the Holy Spirit that comprise the one God in three persons. Allah is not a god to obey and worship towards him would be idolatry.
Just to be clear.
Everyone has s responsibility to follow your god regardless of beliefs.
But no one else's gods or beliefs are your problem?
Man it's like you're trying to prove my points about the religious right for me. Kudos.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 6:28 pm to tigerfoot
quote:If the general population just abided by some basic modesty standards, this wouldn't be an issue for most situations. Don't wear clothing that accentuates parts of your body that others naturally find sexually attractive and generally that's fine.
Yet you will change your jeans style and shirt color to be thoughtful and sanctimonious.
You just setting up those others.
Can we agree on a universal dress code, so that we dont offend or tempt?
quote:Sanctification means being set apart for a holy use. The "holy use" part is important here, because acting just like the world with our sins and lack of repentance isn't holy use. We are to be in the world, not of the world. Being "of the world" means acting just like the world does, namely living according to the flesh by doing what is right in everyone's own eyes. We were created unto good works, so that's what we should do. Not to save ourselves, but to be more like the one who saved us and calls us to obedience.
Sanctified? So you are either without sin, which we know is not possible.
Or it means you are set apart, which you are by your believe in a risen savior. So all these noble gestures you are putting forth to declare yourself as a 'better' Christian are kinda funky.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 6:51 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
No, I'm pro-life in the sense that I support the sanctity of human life because all human lives are made in God's image with inherent value. What God chooses to do is His prerogative because He is God and He is holy, but He has commanded all of humanity to act in a particular way, including focus on preserving life. The only exceptions are as I stated. The purpose of supporting the death penalty, war, and self-defense for taking life is precisely because of the value of life and the obligation to preserve it.
Exactly, so preface any discussion on abortion with an admission that you're "Pro-God's choice" and I'll preface any moral claim I make that ultimately it's just an opinion.
Your request of me is as ridiculous, or as necessary, as mine is of your.
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Because those examples almost always get brought up in the context of abortion and supporting the life of the unborn.
But you brought them up, not me. I wanted to stick to abortion. quote:
Killing children was the context of the discussion and you were making an obvious implication that it was morally wrong for God to drown children in a flood, negating this concept of objective morality for killing children.
Whether the moral truth claim was about abortion or not was irrelevant to my point. Making any truth claim without the foundation to support it is fallacious.
I don't see any explanation in there of why you're making assumptions about my moral claims containing any sort of objective backing. We've discussed this topic in depth several times and you still keep acting as if I believe something that I do not. It's moved past the point of ignorance and into pure dishonesty.
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What do you mean by "why is immoral different from beauty"? Are you referring to morality as being different from beauty standards?
I'm saying that just like beauty, people can have their own opinions on what is moral and what isn't moral. You can ignore how human societies actually operate and smugly ignore those opinions while you clutch your Bible, but don't expect people to be impressed by that sort of behavior.
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You brought up God drowning children. What was your point there other than to try to catch someone in some sort of moral quandary?
Any moral quandary traps you see are of your own imagination. I'm of the mindset that many Christians are indoctrinated to see the grotesque parts of the Old Testament through the lens of rose colored glasses. I was in my 20s before I even realized that God didn't just drown murderers and rapists in that flood. Everything relating to that event had been carefully crafted to hide that fact. Everything from the coloring sheets at Vocational Bible Schools over the summer on up.
You may be surprised, but actually looking at the Bible from an neutral perspective turns a lot of Christians off to large swaths of the religion. This is why you're seeing Christianity waning in Western/Modern societies.
Sure there are the staunch people like yourself who would defend pedophilia if it were in the Bible, but many people are turned off about singing praise and worship to a God who drowned children to solve a problem he could have without drowning children.
Sure, ultimately that's just an opinion, but it does speak to a lot of people who don't want children to be drowned.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 6:56 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
It's not merely the uniform that women are typically attracted to but what the uniform says about the man. Clean-cut, organized, disciplined, loyal, and a defender are some of the common traits associated with men in uniform.
It's not merely the bikini that men are typically attracted to, but that the bikini says about the woman. Youthful, healthy, mature enough to bear, and nurture, children are some of the common traits associated with women in bikinis.
So when are we going to criticize the things that enhance male traits and ultimately sexually arouse women?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:01 pm to AlterEgo89
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So they had prevention of adultery already written in through punishment, hence controlling female lust?
Doesn't this defeat your point in the first place?
I didn't claim that women don't have sex, I claimed that the Bible ignored female sexuality - as seen in the aforementioned Bible verse.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:05 pm to Seldom Seen
What about sperm and egg donors who abandon their kids?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:08 pm to FooManChoo
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On the other hand, we should not act in ways that we know will induce others to sin (walking around with your breasts exposed in public should be expected to cause others to be tempted to lust).
You do realize that women are attracted to male bodies as well, don't you? Women do watch male strippers...
You mentioned earlier that you wouldn't wear green if you knew that wearing that color would make a woman lust after you. Maybe wearing the color green will make some women lust after you, but being shirtless is arguably going to be more effective than wearing green.
If you'll go to that extreme for wearing green, surely you'll not be shirtless in public.
What's your facebook profile, I wanna look for beach/pool pics!Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:09 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
All people have a responsibility to obey God.
I'd imagine Muslism forcing non-Muslim women to cover up utter something similar.
God you're such a radical fundamentalist.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:21 pm to FooManChoo
quote:tell me again how my choice of jeans impacts this.
We were created unto good works, so that's what we should do. Not to save ourselves, but to be more like the one who saved us and calls us to obedience.
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