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re: Is it wrong to expect thots to cover themselves around children?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:39 am to Azkiger
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:39 am to Azkiger
quote:It's not a logical inconsistency, though. It's an emotional one. Which is why I said "emotional plea incoming".
Pointing out inconsistencies isn't an emotional plea.
quote:I agree with you here, but my point is that when you condemn something in your worldview, all you are doing is expressing your personal opinion rather than expressing your support of a universal, objective moral truth. When you are condemning the biblical God for drowning children, you are making a moral truth claim, namely that God is objectively morally wrong (evil) for such an action.
IDGAF how you label it, peoples feelings about various issues influence policy and set law. If everyone "didn't like abortion" it wouldn't be legal. If 90% of the population "didn't like abortion" it wouldn't be legal. I'm just voicing where I stand.
If all it is is your personal opinion, then so what? It doesn't change what is true.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:40 am to Roger Klarvin
This is what happens when your country is settled by the religious wackos. You get puritanism hanging on in odd ways and Mormon con men. It's not a shared Western sentiment to go ew over some tits or bush.
Europe, seeing some tits out sunbathing is just a normal day in the park.
Europe, seeing some tits out sunbathing is just a normal day in the park.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:40 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Nothing, then leaves, then animals skins.
What did Eve wear?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:43 am to FooManChoo
quote:
but my point is...
I know what your point is.
quote:
When you are condemning the biblical God for drowning children, you are making a moral truth claim, namely that God is objectively morally wrong (evil) for such an action.
Nope. I'm of the mindset that there is no objective morality (even with a higher power). I've told you this repeatedly.
quote:
If all it is is your personal opinion, then so what?
Because, again, that's what ultimately sets policy and law. This is the reality of our world. So my opinion does matter. As does yours.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:45 am to FooManChoo
quote:God did not approve, did he?
then leaves
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:46 am to EverettScott
quote:
Europe, seeing some tits out sunbathing is just a normal day in the park.
It is interesting to see how Christianity targets female sexuality. As if females don't have a sex drive.
Can Foo or and other fundie chime in and tell us what safeguards the Bible has in place to prevent females lusting after men? Females might not be as visually stimulated as men are, but they still are. And there are other ways they're sexually simulated.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:48 am to Azkiger
quote:If you're concerned with internal consistency, I hope you start prefacing all of your moral judgements with "my opinion is..."
I know what your point is
Nope. I'm of the mindset that there is no objective morality (even with a higher power). I've told you this repeatedly.
We wouldn't want people to think you're making a truth claim when you admit that you reject objective moral truth.
quote:It doesn't matter in terms of truth. I didn't say your vote doesn't matter. I said your opinion doesn't matter, within the context of moral truth claims. You're not voting on whether or not God exists or whether He is the source of objective truth. So again I say, so what?
Because, again, that's what ultimately sets policy and law. This is the reality of our world. So my opinion does matter. As does yours.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:52 am to NC_Tigah
quote:He didn't approve the leaf garb, but because of theological reasons. Adam and Eve tried to cover themselves rather than look to God to cover them. It was a symbol of covering their sin, and only God can provide the necessary "covering" for sin, through the shedding of blood in Jesus Christ. It's what the animal skins symbolized: blood atonement.
God did not approve, did he?
But more to the point that you seem to be making: there weren't any other humans around to cause to lust with the leaf coverings (if we assume they were minimal), other than her husband, Adam, which was OK. So the issue of what Eve was wearing at the time of the fall doesn't really apply to this discussion.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:54 am to FooManChoo
quote:
If you're concerned with internal consistency, I hope you start prefacing all of your moral judgements with "my opinion is..."
We wouldn't want people to think you're making a truth claim when you admit that you reject objective moral truth.
Sure, if you change your label from "pro-life" to "Pro-God's choice" just to clarify you don't believe in the absolute sanctity of life, you just believe only the children God doesn't want dead have a right to life.
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So again I say, so what?
For the third or fourth time... So when it comes to actually determining what occurs in our society (you know, the thing that actually impacts people's lives) I'm on your side.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:58 am to Azkiger
I mean a lot of fundies would probably argue that the harsh reality is women sexualizing men isn't really going to do that much. I mean I've never been worried about my safety going on a date nor have I ever been worried about being taken advantage of.
When I go to a club, I don't see women waiting around for drunk men. However, I've definitely seen men waiting around for drunk women (it's like they're just circling like predators sometimes).
Most men are probably more powerful than most women. There's no need for a safeguard for men considering women sexualizing men probably doesn't lead to them being raped etc. Men still hold the bulk of power within our institutions and governments.
Not my argument but a fundie might make the case for it.
When I go to a club, I don't see women waiting around for drunk men. However, I've definitely seen men waiting around for drunk women (it's like they're just circling like predators sometimes).
Most men are probably more powerful than most women. There's no need for a safeguard for men considering women sexualizing men probably doesn't lead to them being raped etc. Men still hold the bulk of power within our institutions and governments.
Not my argument but a fundie might make the case for it.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:02 pm to AlterEgo89
quote:
I mean a lot of fundies would probably argue that the harsh reality is women sexualizing men isn't really going to do that much. I mean I've never been worried about my safety going on a date nor have I ever been worried about being taken advantage of.
That's not the only issues they're worried about, though.
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
- Matthew 5:28
Thankfully, women can lust after men mentally and not be sinning?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:05 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Uh, no.
If Christians are to be consistent, we are to be consistent with the small things as well as the big things.
If you, as a grown man cant get past a bikini on a teenager, you got a lot of work to do as a Christian that has nothing to do with the attire another is wearing.
quote:No, we dont. We believe that Christ came of a virgin birth, lived, died on a cross and was resurrected.
Christians are to be consistent, we are to be consistent with the small things as well as the big things
We dont have to go down a checklist of small things to practice our religion. This isnt some to do list.
quote:Oh, so we do real good as Christians unless someone makes us do bad
walking around in attire that is sure to bring about lust in a lot of people is something Christians should be concerned about.
Maybe we remove rock music, alcohol, cigarettes, and gambling too, you know...cause we just cant be held accountable for our own damn choices. Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:05 pm to Azkiger
quote:Lust goes both ways. The principle behind the modesty issue is temptation. We shouldn't tempt others to sin. Just as we shouldn't drink alcohol around a friend who is an alcoholic, we shouldn't wear clothing and attire in public that will make the average person lust after us. If I knew my wife's friend was sexually aroused by men who wore green, I'd go out of my way not to wear green around her so that I wouldn't tempt her to lust. Likewise, if I knew it was common that women got turned sexually on by men in tight pants, I wouldn't wear tight pants in public.
It is interesting to see how Christianity targets female sexuality. As if females don't have a sex drive.
Can Foo or and other fundie chime in and tell us what safeguards the Bible has in place to prevent females lusting after men? Females might not be as visually stimulated as men are, but they still are. And there are other ways they're sexually simulated.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:07 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Lust goes both ways. The principle behind the modesty issue is temptation. We shouldn't tempt others to sin. Just as we shouldn't drink alcohol around a friend who is an alcoholic, we shouldn't wear clothing and attire in public that will make the average person lust after us. If I knew my wife's friend was sexually aroused by men who wore green, I'd go out of my way not to wear green around her so that I wouldn't tempt her to lust. Likewise, if I knew it was common that women got turned sexually on by men in tight pants, I wouldn't wear tight pants in public.
Women find men in uniforms sexy, so no more uniforms right?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:08 pm to Azkiger
I guess you could make the argument that the bible was trying to protect women by ensuring men don't commit affairs.
The effects of a man committing adultery back then could probably have led to women becoming destitute (because a man largely earned the money and abandoning his wife could be a death sentence for her). In addition, I presume it wasn't safe for a woman without a husband.
While a woman committing adultery, that probably didn't have that much of an economic or social impact. There probably would have been a much, much larger stigma for a woman committing adultery while it was more expected for a man to do so.
I'm not a fundie though so I'm just making the 'logical' assumptions here.
The effects of a man committing adultery back then could probably have led to women becoming destitute (because a man largely earned the money and abandoning his wife could be a death sentence for her). In addition, I presume it wasn't safe for a woman without a husband.
While a woman committing adultery, that probably didn't have that much of an economic or social impact. There probably would have been a much, much larger stigma for a woman committing adultery while it was more expected for a man to do so.
I'm not a fundie though so I'm just making the 'logical' assumptions here.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:11 pm to AlterEgo89
quote:
While a woman committing adultery, that probably didn't have that much of an economic or social impact.
They stoned females who weren't virgins on their wedding night in the old testament...
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:23 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
The principle behind the modesty issue is temptation. We shouldn't tempt others to sin.
Literally the first thing God did after he made Adam and Eve was tempt them.
quote:You just compared an alcoholic with a disease to seeing a girl in a bikini.
Just as we shouldn't drink alcohol around a friend who is an alcoholic,
quote:What about the others that are turned on by baggy pants?
if I knew it was common that women got turned sexually on by men in tight pants, I wouldn't wear tight pants in public.
Or those that like the blue shirt you are wearing when you are not wearing green for the others.
Maybe you should choose Crimson, no one is turned on by crimson...correct? Oh crap, then you cant go to the state of Alabama.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:26 pm to Azkiger
quote:I can't think of a time where I have used the label of "pro-life" for myself outside of the context of abortion, but I'm happy to clarify what that means if called out on it, just as "pro-choice" individuals assuredly aren't in favor of personal choice in every possible scenario. I also try not to use that label at all but try to instead point out that I'm anti-abortion (if labels are even needed) to avoid arguments like that.
Sure, if you change your label from "pro-life" to "Pro-God's choice" just to clarify you don't believe in the absolute sanctity of life, you just believe only the children God doesn't want dead have a right to life.
You're also making a theological distinction which doesn't really apply here, because I do believe in the sanctity of life and that there are only certain authorized conditions for certain authorized persons/agents to take a life based on the desire to uphold the sanctity of life. Capital punishment is intended to provide justice for a life taken and to dissuade others from seeking to unlawfully take life. Taking a life in self-defense is intended to preserve life. Killing in war should be intended to preserve the lives of others. It's the sanctity of life that upholds those exceptions that authorize life to be taken.
quote:You can be on my side without making moral judgements at all. I'm not against people voting their conscience or making public policy based on their opinions; we do it all the time, and it's why I don't understand why it matters if a policy preference is based on religious belief or not, since in the moral relativists worldview, religious belief cannot be objectively worse than a secular preference. I'm against people making moral truth claims without having a foundation to support them.
For the third or fourth time... So when it comes to actually determining what occurs in our society (you know, the thing that actually impacts people's lives) I'm on your side.
Saying "I don't like abortion" is not the same as "abortion is immoral", even though both statements may ultimately reflect a desire to change policy regarding abortion. One of those statements assumes obligation to act a certain way.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:26 pm to AlterEgo89
quote:
When I go to a club, I don't see women waiting around for drunk men.
You’ve clearly never been to the Cadillac Cafe. Those Cougars are relentless.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:27 pm to Seldom Seen
I think, as a Christian, there are bigger fish to fry. Like crime waves in all of our major cities for example.
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