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Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:27 am to weagle1999
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Another good point and related to a question I asked on here once: Is our economy just supposed to grow forever, into infinity? How is that sustainable?
The logical outcome of capitalism is one person owning everything.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:28 am to 4cubbies
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I didn't even know I had an alter.
What are you taking about?
There are hundreds of millions out there just like you with the same Marxist talking points.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:28 am to Zach
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Democrats did not open the border for illegals and create welfare in order to make money. They wanted votes to stay in power.
I agree. But many Republicans are giving them jobs.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:31 am to 4cubbies
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The logical outcome of capitalism is one person owning everything.
Lay that claim out for everybody step by step.
This should be the best thing posted here this month...
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:31 am to Ag Zwin
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Only one of those is anywhere close to being driven by a “profit” motive.
Illegals are building houses and picking fruit to reduce labor costs.
Sodas are still included in SNAP because PepsiCo wants to sell as much as possible (maybe that is cronyism).
Americans selling business to foreigners because they value money over keeping things owned by Americans.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:31 am to 4cubbies
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The logical outcome of capitalism is one person owning everything.
No it isn,t
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:33 am to RohanGonzales
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No it isn,t
Naw, dude, let her talk.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:33 am to LemmyLives
I included that point just to illustrate that the ‘American values’ that many people champion are in reality subservient to money and consumption. 
I think from an historical perspective one could make the case that much (most?) of American history was shaped by the desire to reduce labor costs.
I think from an historical perspective one could make the case that much (most?) of American history was shaped by the desire to reduce labor costs.
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:43 am to weagle1999
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I included that point just to illustrate that the ‘American values’ that many people champion are in reality subservient to money and consumption.
I don't know what the mystery is.
America has spent around 60-70 years actively rejecting and another probably 75 years before that eroding the moral framework that tempers materialism and other forms of selfishness.
Increasingly without it, society has become increasingly materialistic.
Because selfishness is all that's left. What's the mystery?
There must be one, though. We have our resident feminist on the thread who constantly misses that feminism has done more to reject that moral framework than any other single philosophy, but then she whines that people only care about making money.
What else should they care about? Family? God? Country? Not according to feminism. According to it, those are all patriarchal traps for women.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 12:07 pm to weagle1999
Your catching on... the multinational corporations that profit the most are the ones that oppose what Trump is doing.
Trump is turning the current international global trade upside down.
Bringing back manufacturing to the US, especially on goods that we depend upon for daily life.
NEWS FLASH: It’s not in our national interest to depend upon our rival/enemy states for basic products such as medicines, steel, precious metals, etc.
Folks get so focused on the latest daily "breaking news" propaganda from the media, they lose perspective.
Trump is turning the current international global trade upside down.
Bringing back manufacturing to the US, especially on goods that we depend upon for daily life.
NEWS FLASH: It’s not in our national interest to depend upon our rival/enemy states for basic products such as medicines, steel, precious metals, etc.
Folks get so focused on the latest daily "breaking news" propaganda from the media, they lose perspective.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 12:51 pm to wackatimesthree
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Lay that claim out for everybody step by step.
Step 1: Business is successful
Step 2: Successful business uses profits to buy competitors
Step 3. Successful business dominates market share and creates barriers to entry (i.e. vertical integration) while continuing to use capital to buyout remaining competitors.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 1:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'm not sure this is true. Human existence went for millennia with almost none of the types of advances you are alluding to. Hell, they still are finding "untouched" tribes deep in the Amazon.
Question: When has it not?
Answer: In tribes, villages and countries that no longer exist or are on the brink of collapse.
For that matter black markets, that exist in those places, are subservient to the profit motive.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 1:17 pm to Sofaking2
Free market capitalism is great. Corporatism is not.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 1:28 pm to weagle1999
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I can’t help but think that many of the problems in the US that most of us want solved originated with someone wanting to make more money.
Illegals, foreign owned businesses, welfare, take your pick.
The problem with all that is corruption. The people in DC have convinced a significant portion of the population that the government can solve their problems and that the solution is a bigger government.
We have to get away from the government picking the winners and the losers. We have to get away from a system where the best investment a company make is to get political and donate to candidates and causes.
Corporatism.
Our healthcare is a mishmash of private healthcare and government intervention. It's also mediocre care and by far the most expensive in the world. It's the worst of both worlds, not the best.
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 5/1/26 at 1:56 pm to Jax-Tiger
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The problem with all that is corruption. The people in DC have convinced a significant portion of the population that the government can solve their problems and that the solution is a bigger government.
We have to get away from the government picking the winners and the losers. We have to get away from a system where the best investment a company make is to get political and donate to candidates and causes.
That's all very true ... very, very true. But here's where we miss the point.
Government corruption is almost always the result of two or three specific motives.
1 - Greed
2 - Power
3 - Misplaced Ideologies
It's a wicked cycle of self destruction too indepth and complicated to address here and now but it always begins with prosperity and devolves into collapse.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:02 pm to weagle1999
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I can’t help but think that many of the problems in the US that most of us want solved originated with someone wanting to make more money.
Do you live in "The Projects" with an EBT card?
I grew up in poverty in a North Louisiana cotton patch, in the 50's. Candy Bars were only 5 cents at the time. I didn't have 5 cents.
I didn't like it, wanted more money, so I joined the Navy, learned a trade, then earned my degree, using the GI Bill.
I don't see that as a "Problem". It solved my problem.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:10 pm to weagle1999
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Is it possible to keep a country if almost everything is subservient to the profit motive?
what should everything be subservient to if not profit?
hate to break to you jethro, we're not all in this thing together, the quicker you figure that out the happier you'll be.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 2:52 pm to 4cubbies
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The logical outcome of capitalism is one person owning everything.
Only if government enacts things like patents, copyrights, etc. Those are the first steps of monopoly and it gets worse from there.
True capitalism is only realized through true competition.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 3:00 pm to scrooster
quote:That's circular. Humanity went without hardly any "growth" for millennia.
Question: When has it not?
Answer: In tribes, villages and countries that no longer exist or are on the brink of collapse.
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