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re: Is it possible for the POTUS, as Commander in Chief, to direct our Armed Forces to areas
Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:33 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:33 pm to Volvagia
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Nope. This was a whole thing about Katrina. Separation of powers Formal permission must be given by that states governor.
Governor has to OK it but the president can absolutely send active duty regular army to do hurricane recovery. I was in a rapid deployment unit and my unit was sent to Florida the day after it hit.
The president can and will order active duty troops anywhere in the US he wants.
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:35 pm to Honkus
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Id like to bring our Armed Forces home from abroad and stage along our southern border til this mess is cleaned up.
Border crisis is worse than most people think. It is something that we can’t fix on our own.
We can mass deport over and over, build walls, hire more border agents, and put the military on the border, but these are just band aid’s.
We can’t clean it up our side until Mexico cleans up its mess. It is almost impossible for us to clean it
I think we have 2 options spend $10’s of billions fixing the crisis on the Mexican side of the border or spend $100’s of billions cleaning up our side.
Mexico can’t clean up its side, because cartel’s rule to much of the country. The Mexican government can’t outspend the Cartel.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:36 pm to Indefatigable
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Ok. It’s illegal. Plus it’s just dumb. Using active duty forces to play cop at the border is an asinine waste of resources. We have people for that, we just need to use them properly. Manpower isn’t the issue.
Posse Comitatus Act
They can’t be used for police action, hurricane recovery is fine.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:37 pm to wfallstiger
No. Federal government, including POTUS, has zero authority to order troops to do anything within the borders of the US. That authority lies solely with the states.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:51 pm to wfallstiger
Yes and no. He is the commander of the military, but there are restrictions. I think in this case, he would have to have the governor's permission.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:34 am to Indefatigable
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Depends on the purpose.
With Biden, Depends are the purpose.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:39 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Ike sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:49 am to Indefatigable
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I’m not anticipating an act of Congress for the upcoming deportations. Are you?
I'm anticiapating that those who invaded our country illegally to be rounded up and sent back by any means necessary.
The majority of America voted for it and approve of it.
Given what you Democrats did in 2016 and 2020, I highly doubt Trump's give a frick is going to care what the treasonous people think.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:20 am to Indefatigable
He is the Commander in chief of the military what do you think that means
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:12 am to ole man
didn't W bush use the military to bring all those katrinaites to houston and house them in the astrodome. what a disaster that was. crime went through the roof. the only ones that went back to louisiana were the ones running from the police after they had killed someone. i remember all those billboards ray negin put up to remind all those in houston they could still vote for him in the mayors race. all those money cards from fema that were spent in topless clubs and for saints season tickets.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:12 am to wfallstiger
Yes
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:15 am to Indefatigable
quote:And what exactly would governor’s refusal to comply with the order be?
It was Eisenhower, and done under the Insurrection Act.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:17 pm to Indefatigable
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The regularly military can’t enforce immigration laws (domestic law) on US soil.
It’d have to be National Guard under the current legal framework.
Not to say you're wrong. As military, you're absolutely on point.
However.
If the area has no stipulations upon sheriffs deputizing military personnel, they can deputize said personnel, and they can then be deputized by ICE.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:34 pm to eitek1
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The president can and will order active duty troops anywhere in the US he wants.
He can. But the role they play where he sends them is where it gets sketchy.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:39 pm to riccoar
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Gven what you Democrats did in 2016 and 2020, I highly doubt Trump's give a frick is going to care what the treasonous people think.
You think Indefatigable is a Democrat.
Thanks, I'm on a road trip and needed that laugh!
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I'm anticiapating that those who invaded our country illegally to be rounded up and sent back by any means necessary.
The majority of America voted for it and approve of it.
Yeah. Pretty much ALL of us agree on that tho.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:44 pm to Indefatigable
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The regularly military can’t enforce immigration laws (domestic law) on US soil.
It’d have to be National Guard under the current legal framework.
Now we give a shite about the legal framework? What was the legal framework for leaving billions of dollars in weapons and equipment for the Taliban?
What is the legal framework for having the US taxpayers fund tranny surgeries for soldiers?
What is the legal framework for DEI taking precedence over merit in the military?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:44 pm to Warboo
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yes he can direct military where ever period. He is the commander in chief.
Wrong. Read up on the Posse Comitatus Act.
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Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:51 pm to MizzouBS
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We can’t clean it up our side until Mexico cleans up its mess. It is almost impossible for us to clean it
Disagree. We can prevent any and all taxpayer money from going to support criminal illegals. We can stop altogether any and all money transfers from the US to Mexico. We can prosecute anyone who knowingly employs criminal illegals. We can put our military on the southern border with instructions to fire one warning shot for those on American soil.
shite would shore up in 6 months.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:53 pm to Bard
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Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
If he calls it an invasion (which it is) that is null and void.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:13 pm to Warboo
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If he calls it an invasion (which it is) that is null and void.
It's not an invasion of a foreign military, that differentiation matters. It's no different than the Left trying to tell us that a man can get pregnant because a woman calls herself a man. Definitions matter, especially with something as ripe for abuse as changing the definition of "invasion" to allow the federal government to use the military as a police force.
You want despotism? That's how you get despotism. Open that door, even just a crack, and the authoritarian Left will wedge a big, pink stiletto heel into it.
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