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re: Is it okay to ask why you can’t shoot violent protesters?

Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:38 am to
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
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Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:38 am to
Ashley Babbitt says hi from the grave.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
61504 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:38 am to
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Shouldn’t we be able to shoot people that shoot people?


Try to articulate your point more clearly.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
21189 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:38 am to
Just make sure:

They fall indoors
They can’t file suit, repeat if necessary
Don’t use a slur, their feelings of course
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
21189 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:43 am to
Government officials sign on and trained to do that job, citizens being attacked generally aren’t trained but survival instincts kick in. Criminals don’t care regardless
Posted by Tigersforthee
Member since Dec 2025
766 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:45 am to
Nobody should be shot for protesting, no matter how obnoxious. However if that turns into destruction of private property then I have no problem with either the property owner or police shooting them dead if demands to stop are ignored. Otherwise youre saying anyone that wants to burn down your home can do so.
Posted by Oswald
South of the St. George Buffer Zone
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Should you be able to shoot shoplifters or graffiti artists?

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
118360 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:54 am to
The key word is 'deterrence.' It works. I lived through it while growing up in New Iberia. We all knew that there were very few cops in the city of 50,000 and they were very lazy. So, their easiest way to solve the problem was to shoot you. The deterrent effect resulted in no murders and almost no crime during my 20 years there.
Later the rules for cops changed and crime went up. Cajuns left town for Youngsville and N.I. has gone to hell.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:55 am to
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Napoleon


Noted
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/25/26 at 10:56 am to
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There is a reason why there is a high threshold for the government to shoot people

I'm not sure why any sane person would want to lower that threshold


Preserving a high bar for state lethal force against crowds is compatible with recognizing that private persons facing immediate violence are not required to absorb unlimited harm while waiting for a delayed or overwhelmed police response.

The high threshold for government use of force is a deliberate restraint on concentrated power, lowering it risks turning the state into an instrument of political repression through giving government a monopoly on responding in every scenario.

Individual self-defense (including the defense of others) is a different category. It's a decentralized response to immediate, unlawful violence when the state’s protective function has temporarily collapsed or (as is the case in some instances) withheld for political purposes. Recognizing broader leeway for citizens in those narrow circumstances does not lower the government’s threshold, it acknowledges the practical limits of that monopoly during breakdowns of order.

For example, we do not abolish the right to use force against a home invader simply because police response times are imperfect. These large, organized riots that overwhelm police create a similar (though larger-scale) gap in their ability to serve and protect.

Understand this: organized violent actors respond to expected costs. If they correctly calculate that private defenders are legally paralyzed even while police are absent, potential personal costs of their predation falls and that can lead to more predation. Clearer legal protection for reasonable defensive force among the citizenry raises that cost without requiring the state to become more trigger-happy.

This means that peaceful protests, even if disruptive or unpopular, remain protected. The leeway applies only to violent actors engaged in attack, arson, serious assault, or clear preparation for the same. Proportionality and reasonableness still govern as indiscriminate shooting into crowds, pursuit of fleeing non-threats, or preemptive action against mere presence would remain unlawful and morally unjustified.
This post was edited on 10/25/26 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
2017 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:24 am to
One of the most reckless and indifferent to human life things you can do, in an urban setting, is start an uncontrolled freaking fire. These rioters in Europe are somehow not escalating to killing and burning down buildings, but lighting fires next to buildings is incredibly dangerous. You can’t know if a structure is occupied and if it’s occupied by elderly or handicapped or if someone is sleeping.

I mean if I saw someone lighting a neighbors home on fire, am I not legally justified to stop him?

Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
27147 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:34 am to
We are all from hurricane country. There was a time that warnings would go out after a bad one that looters would be shot on sight.

Those people deserve no less.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
14205 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:42 am to
Not every crime deserves a death sentence.

Society doesn’t want police to shoot to kill a shoplifter who just stole $100 worth of clothing.

But in Texas, you are not usually prosecuted for unnecessary force when protecting your property IF they are in your home.

So people just shoot and then pull the body into their house.
This post was edited on 10/25/26 at 11:45 am
Posted by UnwipedBBL
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Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:43 am to
why would the govt shoot them? theyre behind it.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
61504 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:44 am to
What amount warrants a shooting?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:45 am to
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What amount warrants a shooting?

Your'e an attorney

What does the law say about use of lethal force?
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
14205 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:46 am to
Zero $ amount warrants a shooting.

Fear of one’s life is the only justification for using deadly force.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
61504 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:51 am to
Fair.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
61504 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:51 am to
quote:

What does the law say about use of lethal force?


Different standards for law enforcement and civilians. You know that.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
176799 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 11:55 am to
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Different standards for law enforcement and civilians. You know that.


Yes...and of course different states have different laws.

But generally speaking (not legally speaking) you have to establish that the assailant in question was an immediate danger to you. If someone jumps you and starts beating you senseless you have every right to shoot them as they have established an immediate threat that could end your life. In some states like Texas there is a lower threshold. But in most places you can't shoot someone in the back that is fleeing the scene because they stole something from you.

Is that pretty close based on your legal knowledge?
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1710 posts
Posted on 10/25/26 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

Should you be able to shoot shoplifters or graffiti artists?


Yes
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