re: Ireland referendum could lift strict ban on abortion

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The country is owned by the Roman Catholic Church.

This vote doesn't have a chance in hell.

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Rise and shine

They renamed Constantinople and called it Istanbul. What will London and Dublin be called by the next generation?

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The country is owned by the Roman Catholic Church. 

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Haven't checked in with the pope lately, eh? The RCC is owned by the same lefties who voted in favor of child killing.

Pope Frank has already said that he doesn't believe in hell and that there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Abortion and gay marriage are just a little further down the road.

Abortion isn't control of the woman's body anyway. It's control of the baby's body.

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The above is absurd because cancer cells don’t have personhood. The abortion debate should revolve around personhood. It rarely does, which is why all of you tits keep yelling past one another.

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The discussion does revolve around personhood when you reach fetal viability. If technology pushes that viability to fewer and fewer weeks, then personhood comes sooner and sooner and abortion should be illegal after that point. If the womb no longer becomes necessary for a fertilized egg to develop into a human being, abortion becomes completely off the table.

But at that time I think the matter of who can or should be able to become pregnant is the discussion.

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The discussion does revolve around personhood when you reach fetal viability. If technology pushes that viability to fewer and fewer weeks, then personhood comes sooner and sooner and abortion should be illegal prior at that point. If the womb no longer becomes necessary for a fertilized egg to develop into a human being, abortion becomes completely off the table.

But at that time I think the matter of who can or should be able to become pregnant is the discussion.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, though means of extraction becomes a point of contention. Even once we have established personhood, it's a separate inquiry as to whether the woman is simply required to allow extraction, forced to carry it to term, or some other solution.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, though means of extraction becomes a point of contention. Even once we have established personhood, it's a separate inquiry as to whether the woman is simply required to allow extraction, forced to carry it to term, or some other solution.

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I don’t think that has to be overly complicated, but I’m sure it legally would be. If a woman knows she doesn’t want the child, she needs to be responsible before conception. In the event that she isn’t, then she needs to terminate before viability. If not, she is on the hook for forty weeks, and there should not be any payments to her from the government beyond the delivery being paid for.

Looking into the future, extraction may become easier and easier, though I can’t quite see those methods in my imagination yet, lol.

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Evictionists view a mother's womb as her property and an unwanted fetus as a "trespasser or parasite", even while lacking the will to act. They argue that a mother has the right to evict a fetus from her body since she has no obligation to care for a trespasser. The authors' hope is that bystanders will "homestead" the right to care for evicted babies and reduce the number of human deaths. They argue that life begins at conception and state that the act of abortion must be conceptually separated into the acts of:

1. the eviction of the fetus from the womb, and
2. the killing of the baby.

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Gah, that’s complicated.

I don’t like the view of a fetus / baby as a parasite or squatter. The child isn’t in the womb via its own methods, but I understand Block is trying to find the middle ground. I don’t trust bystanders to step in though, especially when one looks at orphanages and sees the extreme numbers of wards of the state looking for a home.

Fascinating read though.

Honored to study under the great Walter Block at Loyno for my graduate degree

He started a “Libertarians for Trump” blog in the summer of 2016

My only personal interaction with him was when he did a guest lecture for the Federalist Society at LSU Law, and I was able to speak with him briefly afterwards. My one complaint with his lecture was that he didn't seem inclined to start at the foundations of his arguments, which would have been handy due to speaking to an intellectually diverse/potentially hostile audience, but the man is obviously brilliant.