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re: Iran and the narrative
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:47 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:47 am to scottydoesntknow
I had a close friend that I first met when I was in 6th grade in 1979. His name was Amir Zafranchi, and his family had fled Iran to escape the Ayatollah and the rapidly rising regime that was replacing the Shah. Amir spoke absolutely NO English when they arrived, but one of the girls in our class spent most of the day talking to him and teaching him English while she neglected her own studies. Amir learned English pretty quickly and of course we all wanted to learn a bit of Persian (you know - the good cuss words and such) so he was one of the students all through middle school and high school that everyone knew.
I guess it was in our junior and senior years of high school that I actually became interested in what was going on over there. Amir's parents were quite open about how Iran had been very "western" in its culture and government up until the uprising and ousting of the Shah in 1979. Photos they had of their home, family, and friends through the 50s, 60s, and 70s didn't really look any different from what you would see in photos of the US in the same time period. But all that had changed overnight with Islamic law being enforced by the Ayatollah and his followers and the nation has regressed socially and politically while nearly maintaining a modern pace of technological advancement. His family believed that such of combination of social regression and technological growth would lead to some troubling times and dire circumstances for Iran and the nations in close proximity.
Amir and his family pretty much confirmed what we have been told about Iran by our government and media since the early 1980s, so I have no concern that we have been misled by our government or media regarding that nation.
I guess it was in our junior and senior years of high school that I actually became interested in what was going on over there. Amir's parents were quite open about how Iran had been very "western" in its culture and government up until the uprising and ousting of the Shah in 1979. Photos they had of their home, family, and friends through the 50s, 60s, and 70s didn't really look any different from what you would see in photos of the US in the same time period. But all that had changed overnight with Islamic law being enforced by the Ayatollah and his followers and the nation has regressed socially and politically while nearly maintaining a modern pace of technological advancement. His family believed that such of combination of social regression and technological growth would lead to some troubling times and dire circumstances for Iran and the nations in close proximity.
Amir and his family pretty much confirmed what we have been told about Iran by our government and media since the early 1980s, so I have no concern that we have been misled by our government or media regarding that nation.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:48 am to Swamp Angel
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so I have no concern that we have been misled by our government or media regarding that nation.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:50 am to theballguy
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So you think we've got it all wrong and that all along Iran has been the good guy?
Anyways ... downvote #1.
DOWNVOTED.
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NOBODY is saying Iran is the "good guy"; This is not a "Good Guy vs Bad Guy" thing at all. This is about rogue leaderships in both cases. The Iranian people only want to live in peace like most people in this world.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:50 am to scottydoesntknow
Yes, have been there exactly 9 times not counting Gulf War landings in 1991.
I also do work in this field and I'll leave it at that.
I also do work in this field and I'll leave it at that.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:51 am to scottydoesntknow
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Watching videos of people traveling through Iran really opened up my eyes though. These people are not savages
I truly believe the people of Iran, like most, just want to live their lives in peace. I also believe the Iranian government is brutally oppressive and the world will be better with a different leadership there.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:51 am to Gaspergou202
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-Iran sponsors terrorists [check]
This has been told to me...I was also told that Covid started by bats at a meat market and that id kill grandma if I didnt get a clot shot
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-Iran hates America [check]
Yet American's can and have visited Iran without being jailed or executed on the spot...
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-Iran wants to eradicate Jews [check]
Yet, Iran has a practicing Jewish population...why dont they round them up and kill them?
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-Iran wants to eradicate Christians [check]
Yet, Iran has an estimated million+ Christians and gives Christians representation in their government. Why dont they burn the churches and round up all the Christians to kill them?
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-Should Iran get nukes they will then immediately nuke Israel, no questions asked [No. First they’d make about a half dozen. Then they would get a terrorist group to smuggle their oversized nucs into Israel AND one in a shipping container on a ship in NY City. Then they’d nuke Israel and us.]”
Why would they do this? What does Iran have to gain? They would be obliterated in response. You are repeating narratives, you arent listing any known facts.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:52 am to TigerMan327
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There are many videos of Iran leadership holding events and chanting “Death to America”.
Is there any chance that kind of stunt has always orchestrated and choreographed? (kind of like "Kings" or BLM or 'Patriot Front'?)
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:53 am to scottydoesntknow
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Iran and the narrative
It’s not a narrative, they sponsor and train terrorists. I don’t want a US war with Iran, but I will shed no tears if Israel decapitates their regime.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:54 am to Team Vote
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they sponsor and train terrorists.
100% fact.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:56 am to EphesianArmor
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The record: Israel is a proven disruptor, aggressor and facilitator of bloodshed and war. They never did desire peace.
Traveled extensively throughout the Middle East, have you?
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Frankly, so is good ol' USA. Both abide in a "Manifest Destiny" -- a fancy term for, "I'LL TAKE WHAT I WANT BY FORCE, JUST BECAUSE." (Exactly the same historically as Britain, Germany, USSR, etal.)
That’s a very selective list of countries there
From the River to the Sea!!! Amirite
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These people [Iranians] are not savages.
So you agree with Netanyahu’s speech last night about the conflict being with a regressive dictatorship, not the victims of that brutal regime in the people of Iran
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:56 am to EphesianArmor
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The Iranian people only want to leave in peace like most people in this world.
We've never been told the opposite.
It's been well documented in the mainstream media that the problem with Iran is strictly their fanatical government, in that they want death to America and are extremely oppressive to the Iranian populace.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:56 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I also believe the Iranian government is brutally oppressive and the world will be better with a different leadership there.
Its a fair assumption...but what did the toppling of Saddam in Iraq do...it unleased decades of war, it created radical Muslim sects(that Saddam kept in check) and started a chain reaction that unleashed mass migration from the middle east into Europe that has caused devastation.
Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruits...what was the fruit of toppling a Muslim dictator that we were all told to hate?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:57 am to scottydoesntknow
I have no hatred for the regular Iranian people.
I’ve held much contempt for the Iranian government since 1979.
I’ve held much contempt for the Iranian government since 1979.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:58 am to theballguy
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they sponsor and train terrorists.
100% fact.
According to Jewish run mass media, sure.
It was a "100% fact" that the Covid vax was supposed to protect people from getting or spreading the virus...until it wasnt
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:58 am to scottydoesntknow
The average person in Iran is not enjoying their own government control but they figure it’s better than having the extended family killed off
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:59 am to scottydoesntknow
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Im no fan of Islam. The Saudis are supposedly our allies yet they are much more strict than Iran about allowing Christianity. Saudis execute Christians. Iran has Christian churches and over a million Christians WITH govt representation. They even have synagogues. It was Saudis that flew planes into the twin towers...yet the narrative for these two countries is much different...I wonder why
The Saudi's are not our allies. They simply choose to cooperate with us to whatever extent it benefits them, and we the same toward them. Saudi Arabia did not fly the planes into the twin towers, and that is obviously some conspiracy theory you believe in. The "representation" that Iran gives Christians is a farce, as they are by no means given equal treatment and rights.
The only reason we pretend to get along with any Muslim majority country, is for mutual benefit. If it were up to me, we wouldn't negotiate with any of them. I fail to see how this somehow makes the Iranian government any less evil because you believe there is disproportionate negative coverage toward them.
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If its not complicated...explain it to me simply
Islam commands that all non-Muslims must convert or die. And being that Iran is the leading terror sponsor in the world, you can rest assured that they aren't the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar type of fake Muslims, but the genuine Quran following type. So we are not being misled about them.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 8:02 am
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:59 am to EphesianArmor
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ALL narratives should be challenged -- especially this one (as should EVERY narrative be challenged these days)
You don't have to dig that deep to discover this narrative has been accurate.
Your conclusion leads me to believe you're a lunatic.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 7:59 am to scottydoesntknow
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scottydoesntknow
At least you earned your name honestly...
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:00 am to scottydoesntknow
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Saddam
Apples and oranges. Saddam wasn’t a Muslim fundamentalist he was barely a Muslim by all accounts.
It wasn’t the toppling of Saddam that caused the problems in Iraq it was our fumbling afterward.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:01 am to Great Plains Drifter
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I’ve held much contempt for the Iranian government since 1979.
Thats fair. Im just saying theres a huge gulf between 1) their government is not nice or compatible with western values and 2) We should blindly support unprovoked attacks against them
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