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re: iran admits it shot down airplane

Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:48 pm to
I am rather surprised that they have admitted it
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I am rather surprised that they have admitted it


Why are you surprised? Iran has people like you who will carry their water and blame the bad orange man.
Posted by WestSideTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
4861 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:54 pm to
Based on a preliminary conclusion by the armed forces, "human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster, " - Democrats

-Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif.

Twitter

Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22786 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:05 pm to
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Exhibit “A” for why Iran should not be allowed to develope an A bomb.

Yep.

I mean, absolute best-case scenario:

they were attempting to create an international incident in another country (Iraq), we caught their guy over there and blew him up. They reacted to this by lobbing a few missiles at another country (Iraq again), and then accidentally shooting down a commercial jet that just took off from Tehran.

I don't see how any of this fosters any confidence that they can be mature and responsible regarding WMD.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65118 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:06 pm to
That poor Iranian and his family, that hit that button....
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:09 pm to
Incompetent morons. At least they admit it now, thanks to trump.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26257 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:15 pm to
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Incompetent morons. At least they admit it now, thanks to trump.


It was not incompetence imho. Leaning heavily to murder. Rift in Iranian govt.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28092 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:17 pm to
And CNN is slobbering all over 'em for their "mean culpa"

God almighty.
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:18 pm to
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It was not incompetence imho. Leaning heavily to murder. Rift in Iranian govt.



Hrmmm.... I’m a firm believer in Occam’s razor, but I’d like to hear more about your theory. To me it makes sense that these dumbasses would be scared enough to shoot down a plane due to jitters. You are implying they planned to shoot down a civilian aircraft intentionally. Why? Were they going to try and frame us?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:19 pm to
Which begs the question of what the actual plan was.

Did they shoot down the plane thinking they could blame the US for it when a response eventually happened?
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26257 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:29 pm to
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Hrmmm.... I’m a firm believer in Occam’s razor, but I’d like to hear more about your theory. To me it makes sense that these dumbasses would be scared enough to shoot down a plane due to jitters. You are implying they planned to shoot down a civilian aircraft intentionally. Why? Were they going to try and frame us?


Here is my post from early.

quote:

Supreme lead in bed with the DS.
General Salami is the enforcer.
Gen. Salami might be getting the big head, like our cia.
Start the Supreme leader to thinking he cant control him much longer.
Feels threatened.
Sanctions once again pushing country to uprising.
Terrorist Obama not there to bail him out.
DS falling apart, can't help much, neutered.
Plan with Trump devised.
Trump says regime change not the goal.
Seems strange that has always been the good guys goal.
Per plan general salami and some henchmen taken out.
Face saving rocket attack occurs as planned.

You don't fire 22 ballistic missals and not kill people unless you didn't want to kill people.


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Was it shot down? Very easy to tell. Black box will easily answer that question. hmmmmm the blackbox belongs to Ukraine. Hhmmmm why would Iran withhold proof they did not shoot it down? I do not think anyone on that plane was a target....
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 11:32 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35053 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:31 pm to
Although a seemingly insignificant fact, I'm quite curious as to how and why the person was filming the plane (with even moments to spare) at the exact time the plane was hit. Very suspicious.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:35 pm to
Plus, I find it incredulous that the Iranians mistook a 737 leaving the airport (climbing) for an F16.

The US didn't do anything that night and the damn bombing took place in a different country. There is much more to this story I think.

Most all of the passengers were dual citizen Iranians. According to some folks there were 6 nuclear scientists on board. Also seen people say 4 of the passengers were Iranian generals who had been ordered to return, but refused. Remember that it wasn't long ago that they had one of the top commanders defect to the US.

I totally agree that there is a rift in the leadership.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 11:40 pm
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:36 pm to
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You don't fire 22 ballistic missals and not kill people unless you didn't want to kill people.


Agree with this, and I think the misses were placed intentionally. But, I think our government spoke with the Iranians about it after we laid the haymaker. We told them, you can fire here and there and not kill anyone. You save face to the public and don’t dare frick with us again.

I have trouble connecting your dots on the coup. How could the downing of this aircraft assisted that?
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:44 pm to
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Plus, I find it incredulous that the Iranians mistook a 737 leaving the airport (climbing) for an F16


What exactly was fired at the craft? Was it a missle? From where was it fired? I really think if we had these answers it could help us figure out what happened. Not sure if that’s been released or debated.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:47 pm to
I haven't heard a lot of those particulars. Only that it was two missiles fired at the plane from somewhere nearby. Surface to air missiles.
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:04 am to
One thought... didn’t they tweet about the 1988 incident where we shot down a civilian craft two days before they shot this one down?

Maybe they thought someone was on that plane who wasn’t? That tweet referring to the 88 incident to be followed by something similar is odd. But again, Occam’s razor...
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:13 am to
I think it goes something like this: You start shooting your missiles at Merica, when they are over at your neighbors place, but you miss by a mile. Merica just stands off to the side and laughs at you and while that is happening, 2 earthquakes start up near your nuclear plant, that's pretty damn scary, and while you are drying the sweat off of your forehead and taking a deep breath, you hear the whistle of one of your missiles taking off, at the same time that your nephew's plane to college in Ukraine clears the runway. Your worst fears are realized when you hear the huge explosion, and 30 seconds later, the sound of a big arse jet hitting the ground and tearing itself to pieces and scattering all over the country. At daylight somebody finds a piece of your own missile, mixed in with the wreckage of the plane... you go into soul searching mode for the next 24 hours, and come to the decision, that you probably shouldn't tell a lie.. at this juncture. God is likely watching closely.

If this were less serious, I would add " frick me runnin"
This post was edited on 1/11/20 at 6:24 am
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9570 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 1:51 am to
the dude that took the video of the plane being hit and posting it to the internet was unavailable for comment
Posted by Possumslayer
Pascagoula
Member since Jan 2018
6474 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 3:03 am to
If Obama had a country.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
41987 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 3:11 am to
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Someone needs to 'splain why that dude was videoing the plane like that, at just the right time.



With almost zero reaction to the crash and the missle hit.
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