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Iran - Will he? Won't he?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:23 am
Oil prices plunge after conflicting reports on Trump's Iran nuclear deal decision
quote:
Oil prices fell ahead of President Donald Trump's decision on whether to withdraw the United States from the Iran nuclear deal.
Trump is expected to announce that he will no longer suspend sanctions aimed at Iran's oil exports, a move that equates to a U.S. exit from the nuclear deal.
Some traders say Trump will leave his administration wiggle room to continue negotiating a revised nuclear deal with European allies.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:24 am to Clockwatcher
I think we're out of the deal
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:26 am to Clockwatcher
Maybe I will, maybe I won't
I don’t wanna find my home
Just wonder what happened to it
My hand’s all caught in stones
Who stole all my bones?
All my forgotten poems
Are a joke
What do I know?
Maybe we're wrong,
Doesn’t it show
People get old
When they’re alone?
Maybe I will, maybe I won’t
I don’t wanna find my home
Just wonder what happened to it
My hand’s all caught in stones
Who stole all my bones?
All my forgotten poems
Are a joke
What do I know?
Maybe we're wrong,
Doesn’t it show
People get old
When they’re alone?
Maybe I will, maybe I won’t
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:31 am to Clockwatcher
inb4 the proggies come in beating the war drum
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:34 am to Clockwatcher
My theory is that we will exit the deal, Israel will wipe out Iran’s forces in Syria, the Iranian economy, which is already in a death spiral, will collapse and a popular uprising will oust the Ayatollah from power and result in a functional, westernized, democratic republic like what the people thought they were getting last time before the mullah’s hijacked the revolution.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:37 am to kingbob
quote:
My theory is that we will exit the deal, Israel will wipe out Iran’s forces in Syria, the Iranian economy, which is already in a death spiral, will collapse and a popular uprising will oust the Ayatollah from power and result in a functional, westernized, democratic republic like what the people thought they were getting last time before the mullah’s hijacked the revolution.
That's some pie in the sky stuff right there, but I hope you are correct.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:38 am to kingbob
quote:
My theory is that we will exit the deal, Israel will wipe out Iran’s forces in Syria, the Iranian economy, which is already in a death spiral, will collapse and a popular uprising will oust the Ayatollah from power and result in a functional, westernized, democratic republic like what the people thought they were getting last time before the mullah’s hijacked the revolution.
We've had such great success with popular uprisings here recently I have no doubt this would be a resounding success.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:41 am to Clockwatcher
I think he puts stipulations on the US staying in that he knows good and well Iran won't agree too.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:41 am to Clockwatcher
NYT reporting that we are withdrawing
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:45 am to Clockwatcher
Iran has been making lots of noise about what they would do if we pull out. We've seen Trump's reaction to threats from piss-ant backwaters.
The Iranian deal was also a biiiiig talking point for him on the campaign trail and has continued to be since he became President.
Translation: we're pulling out.
If the Iranians do anything, it wouldn't shock me if it were against Israel.
The Iranian deal was also a biiiiig talking point for him on the campaign trail and has continued to be since he became President.
Translation: we're pulling out.
If the Iranians do anything, it wouldn't shock me if it were against Israel.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:46 am to kingbob
quote:
My theory is that we will exit the deal, Israel will wipe out Iran’s forces in Syria, the Iranian economy, which is already in a death spiral, will collapse and a popular uprising will oust the Ayatollah from power and result in a functional, westernized, democratic republic like what the people thought they were getting last time before the mullah’s hijacked the revolution.
You're living in a dream world. The anti-American mood among the Iranian public is far greater than the anti-clerical mood in Iran. And don't forget, Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon is their back door to Israel with over 100,000 missiles. Oh and let's not forget that Russian is now firmly entrenched in Syria. Quagmire is not a strong enough word which could arise from an "elective" war with Iran.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:47 am to jamboybarry
The difference is culture. Iraq and Iran are not similar when it comes to their traditions of democracy. Iranians have essentially had the trappings of democracy for decades. The issue is the Ayatollah gets final say on who can run and who wins. This has sparked massive protests repeatedly over the last two decades. The people want the Ayatollah’s thumb off of the scale so they can have a real representative democracy. The last several progests have been put down brutally by the Iranian Republican Guard, much of which is now bogged down fighting the rebels and Kurds in Syria. Meanshile, the Iranian economy is in freefall back home with a currency crisis on the verge of going full Venezuela. The people want the secret police gone, they want the censorship of the internet removed, they want access to the west, they want free elections. These aren’t a bunch of Wahabists, tribes, and sectarians like in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran is a real country with a real identity, functional government, real courts, and history of democracy. They just need the guys at the top thrown out. They don’t need to build a nation from scratch.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:48 am to Clockwatcher
So why did prices tank? It implies future players thought Trump would nix the deal, thereby increasing tensions and decreasing whatever level of stability existed, and placing upward pressure on oil prices. Does this mean they're betting Trump will NOT nix the deal?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:51 am to Big12fan
You are underestimating the Saudis/Egyptians/Jordanians and others who will take action as well.
Also remember that Hezbollah, Iran, and Syria have troop numbers will are already at historic lows because of the 10 year civil war that has been going on.
Also remember that Hezbollah, Iran, and Syria have troop numbers will are already at historic lows because of the 10 year civil war that has been going on.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:55 am to Wtodd
quote:
I think we're out of the deal
I agree. There is very little support for this deal with the exception of the true Obamatons.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:05 am to LSU Patrick
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There is very little support for this deal with the exception of the true Obamatons.
Trump is actually letting a lot of Dems off the hook if he pulls out of the deal. You know there had to be several Dems that knew the deal was shite so they supported their party's stance and not America's stance. Remember, Obama said "this is what America wants" even though polls showed 67% of Americans were against the deal.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:06 am to Clockwatcher
We are out and sanctions are back in!!!!
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:14 am to tigerpawl
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So why did prices tank?
Prices had gone up on initial speculation that President Trump would pull out and levy severe sanctions on Iranian oil, but now the thinking is President Trump will withdraw, but try to meet in the middle on any sanctions. This caused prices to go down. The title of the article is misleading.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:24 am to Big12fan
Assad will be left in control in Syria as a deal which removes the militant wing of Hezbollah from Lebanon and topples the top of the Iranian regime. This wouldn’t be a complete destruction of the Iranian government, merely the removal of the Ayatollah from political power allowing for free elections and free voicing of dissent without reprisal. The rest of the government structure would remain intact.
Don’t believe the hype. The vast majority of Iranians don’t give two f$&ks about the U.S. nor do they actively hate us. They just want to be left alone to pick their own leaders without having their choices selected for them.
Don’t believe the hype. The vast majority of Iranians don’t give two f$&ks about the U.S. nor do they actively hate us. They just want to be left alone to pick their own leaders without having their choices selected for them.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 11:25 am
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