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re: Interesting breakdown of the Arbery case so far.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:38 pm to OccamsStubble
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:38 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:what's the circumference of the orbit of Pluto, as long as we are asking irrelevant questions
What did he steal the day he was shot?
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:39 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Does it say you can reach for a weapon that is aimed at you?
Can I run around pointing guns at people?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:40 pm to LuckyTiger
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The law values life over property.
That's a gross overstatement/oversimplification: Google Joe Horn Texas.
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You cannot use deadly force or the threat of deadly force to protect property.
They didn't. They used deadly force to protect life/limb. They didn't shoot Arbery until he reached for one of their guns.
It all hinges on the citizen's arrest law. If it's applicable they acted in self defense. If it's not, Arbery acted in self defense.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:40 pm to narddogg81
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what's the circumference of the orbit of Pluto, as long as we are asking irrelevant questions
The police dick suckers never like the question of what crime Arbery actually committed. But it’s kind of relevant.
“He committed a crime!”
“What crime?”
“Irrelevant!!”
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:41 pm to Azkiger
I saw him try to avoid the gun beforehand.
These guys are going to prison not because of race, but because they made asses of themselves with a gun, embarrassing every other gun owner out there in the process.
These guys are going to prison not because of race, but because they made asses of themselves with a gun, embarrassing every other gun owner out there in the process.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:41 pm to Flats
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I think the guys made very poor decisions but that's BS. They chose to chase him, but they didn't shoot the guy because they suspected him of anything. They shot him because he tried to grab their gun.
Why did they hit him with their vehicle before the video we all saw?
What was he doing then?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:41 pm to the808bass
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If you feel like your neighborhood is in danger, you can shoot errybody anytime.
lol
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:41 pm to the808bass
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The police dick suckers never like the question of what crime Arbery actually committed. But it’s kind of relevant.
It certainly helps, but isn't required.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:42 pm to the808bass
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The police dick suckers never like the question of what crime Arbery actually committed. But it’s kind of relevant.
That is easy….at the minimum trespassing.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:42 pm to Azkiger
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It certainly helps, but isn't required.
The Georgia citizen’s arrest law disagrees. You can’t have direct knowledge of an imaginary crime.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:43 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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That is easy….at the minimum trespassing.
Is trespassing a crime that people can effect a citizen’s arrest for?
Unfortunately for the McMichaels, they admitted they didn’t know why they were trying to detain Arbery.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:43 pm to OccamsStubble
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I saw him try to avoid the gun beforehand.
And we also saw him try to get the gun before he was shot as well.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:45 pm to OccamsStubble
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These guys are going to prison not because of race
You are naive!
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they made asses of themselves with a gun, embarrassing every other gun owner out there in the process.
I agree, but embarrassing good gun owners isn’t a crime.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:45 pm to the808bass
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The Georgia citizen’s arrest law disagrees. You can’t have direct knowledge of an imaginary crime.
According to the trial lawyer being interviewed, so long as the preponderance of evidence suggests a crime was committed, you can attempt a citizens arrest in Georgia at that time.
Entering a residency with the intent to steal is a felony.
Someone being caught on camera 5 times, at night, at a property that had things stolen from it, being seen a 6th time running away opens the door to suspect a crime was committed. So long as a reasonable person would rate Arbery at 51% chance or higher as entering that property with the intent to steal a citizen's arrest would be legal.
Also, it's "immediate knowledge" not "direct knowledge".
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:46 pm to the808bass
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Unfortunately for the McMichaels, they admitted they didn’t know why they were trying to detain Arbery.
If true their lawyer has his work cut out for him!
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:46 pm to Azkiger
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That's a gross overstatement/oversimplification: Google Joe Horn Texas.
No, it’s not. It’s a foundation of our law.
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They didn't. They used deadly force to protect life/limb. They didn't shoot Arbery until he reached for one of their guns.
Incorrect.
They chased after the guy because they wrongly suspected him of theft. They pointed guns at him prior to any contact. That is a crime. At that point, Aubry is justified in defending himself, including grabbing the weapon. The defendants then shot him dead. That is murder.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:46 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:Why do people continue to insist that this is indisputably what happened?
Does it say you can reach for a weapon that is aimed at you?
We know that McMichael Jr. stood in the road on the driver side of the vehicle in an attempt to intercept Arbery.
We know that Arbery detoured around the passenger side of the vehicle to avoid him.
We know that McMichael Jr. began to move across the road in front of the vehicle and toward the passenger side.
Next? We have no idea, because the cameraman (Bryan) let the two men get out of the frame.
The next time we see Arbery and McMichael Jr., they are entangled with one another, but we do not know how they got there. It simply was not recorded.
Maybe McMichael Jr. rushed across the front of the truck with his gun and tried to stop Arbery. Maybe Arbery was overcome by the need to run toward and attack an armed man. Only one of those options seems reasonable to me.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:47 pm to Azkiger
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Also, it's "immediate knowledge" not "direct knowledge".
You want to tell me the difference?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:48 pm to Azkiger
5 x's...
just out for a jog
just out for a jog
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:48 pm to LuckyTiger
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They chased after the guy because they wrongly suspected him of theft. They pointed guns at him prior to any contact.
They also hit him with their vehicle.
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