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re: Interesting article from CNN on 5 dirtbags to be executed
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:33 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:33 pm to ShortyRob
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1)The left opposes it for exactly the correct reasons and yet, can't seem to grasp that those reasons apply to everything else government. 2)The right recognizes that govt, run by humans, is inherently prone by its nature to extremely uneven results, yet fails to apply this reality to a governmental decision that is impossible to take back.
I agree with all of this except for one caveat. I would replace "everything else government" with "almost everything else government".
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Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:34 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:35 pm to AggieHank86
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Shorty, I know the feeling is not mutual, but I actually like you.
With that being said, you do spend far too much time looking for things to be offended about.
Perhaps more so than most liberals.
sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar
Perhaps he's not necessarily offended but observant
I don't find this article to be offensive but as Shorty astutely pointed out there is some "editorial" pic selection going on here. At least a 99% chance.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:35 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I agree. I have said for years that this is an issue in which the Right allows its SoCon tendencies to override its political ideology
I find the death penalty be an interesting issue for the following reasons.
1)The left opposes it for exactly the correct reasons and yet, can't seem to grasp that those reasons apply to everything else government.
2)The right recognizes that govt, run by humans, is inherently prone by its nature to extremely uneven results, yet fails to apply this reality to a governmental decision that is impossible to take back.
in this way, this issue mirrors the abortion issue.
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:40 pm to HempHead
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Ever hear of a cop that fatally shoots someone with thin justification that ends in no recourse?
Actually, no.
Can't the cop be sued for violation of civil rights?
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:41 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Disagree.
I agree. I have said for years that this is an issue in which the Right allows its SoCon tendencies to override its political ideology
in this way, this issue mirrors the abortion issue.
I see no real relation between the two. They are often conflated by both sides frankly........the left will often say, "how can you be against abortion and for the death penalty"........... and it makes no sense whatsoever in either direction. It requires tortured logic to bring them together for either the right's point or the left's.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I hate to stain your reputation by agreeing with you, but I do just the same.
I totally agreed with a WT post to start the chain, what kind of chickenshit would I be if I asked you to
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edit this out
Hell, even Brennan and Scalia agreed a handful of times (brilliantly, I might add).
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:44 pm to ShortyRob
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.the left will often say, "how can you be against abortion and for the death penalty"........... and it makes no sense whatsoever in either direction. It requires tortured logic to bring them together for either the right's point or the left's.
Correct. It's absurd logic.
It's sort of like how the hard core Trump people try to bring together the homeless, illegal immigrants, and veterans as if it's all some zero sum game and we have to scrap programs for vets and homeless if we give benefits to migrants seeking asylum. They're not really related issues in any way.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:45 pm to Eli Goldfinger
It’s a shame they decided the others named were just too ugly to have their picture included like the other two....
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:47 pm to ShortyRob
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the left will often say, "how can you be against abortion and for the death penalty"........... and it makes no sense whatsoever in either direction. I
Well, it does make sense one way - Pro-Life and Pro-Death Penalty are relatively consistent, in that the former are innocent and the latter are guilty.
The Left is projecting when they say such a nonsensical statement, but in their case, they're for killing the innocent and preserving the guilty.
Also, I do understand the radical Pro Life folks (anti abortion AND anti death penalty). I get how folks can be consistent with life being sacred at that point.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:48 pm to Powerman
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migrants seeking asylum
We're all laughing at you.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:51 pm to ShortyRob
quote:perhaps I did not state my point particularly well. I am not claiming that the two issues have any substantive relationship to one another
I see no real relation between the two. They are often conflated by both sides frankly........the left will often say, "how can you be against abortion and for the death penalty"........... and it makes no sense whatsoever in either direction. It requires tortured logic to bring them together for either the right's point or the left's.
Each is simply an issue on which the two major political parties take positions directly at odds with their general tendencies on the limited government versus expansive government spectrum.
You stated the conundrum quite well with regard to the capital punishment issue.
As to abortion, a limited government would stay out of the personal decisions of its citizens, whereas an autocratic government would try to control all elements of individual reproduction. Contrary to that general proposition, the Social Conservatives in the GOP, and the feminists in the Democratic Party, have caused each party to take positions contrary to the party’s general inclinations.
To me, it is simply an indication that neither major political “party“ is a monolithic “party“ at all. Each is a coalition of much smaller, often competing, parties. And different members of the coalition tend to get the upper hand on different issues, often to the annoyance of the remainder of the coalition.
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:53 pm to ShortyRob
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I see no real relation between the two. They are often conflated by both sides frankly........the left will often say, "how can you be against abortion and for the death penalty"........... and it makes no sense whatsoever in either direction. It requires tortured logic to bring them together for either the right's point or the left's.
Again, I agree.
See, Shorty, I agree with you maybe about half the time that you post substantive shite. I'm just not usually into sitting around patting guys on the back, I'd rather explore the disagreements.
Still not sure who you think I'm in lock-step with...
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:00 pm to gthog61
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Wonder if death row has a basketball team
I subscribed to the Angolite Mag back in the 80s. It was great. The basketball teams were named by crime:
Rapists vs. Murderers: 2 pm
The season was abruptly canceled when the ref (a prisoner) called a foul and the player beat the shite out of him on the court.
The murderer who published the Mag got released and gained some fame.
Wilbert Rideau
Posted on 7/26/19 at 3:32 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I don't get the point of the OP, those are four whites and one Injun getting executed.
How do two photos of white felons show bias?
How do two photos of white felons show bias?
Posted on 7/26/19 at 4:23 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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those are four whites
I think Bourgeois is a (black) Creole, CT. Three of the five are very, very chalky.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 4:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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lifetime in prison is worse than putting them out of their misery
Roughly 80K annually to house each one of these monsters. No thanks.
I realize these are five Progressive voters, but I have no doubt you can still find their names on the rolls even after death. You'll still get them for maybe one or two more elections before they are purged.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 5:58 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think Bourgeois is a (black) Creole,
Creoles aren't black, creoles of color are Black, creole tomatoes are red, creole slaves were black.
Creoles were the white descendants of the Colonist from the Latin countries born in the new world, not Negroes.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:03 pm to AggieHank86
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As to abortion, a limited government would stay out of the personal decisions
I don't consider it a personal decision. So. It doesn't conflict with my opposition government getting involved in personal decisions
Whether I want to frick Jack or Jane is a personal decision.
Whether I want to kill my kid or not isn't.
Yes. I get it. People disagreed with how I just characterized it but the point is but it doesn't create any mental conflict in my own head or anybody else's who sees it the way I do.
Which of course is different then issues where there's a direct conflict with no different way of framing it
Posted on 7/26/19 at 6:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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See, Shorty, I agree with you maybe about half the time that you post substantive shite. I'm just not usually into sitting around patting guys on the back, I'd rather explore the disagreements
This has been a good thread
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