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re: Interesting article from CNN on 5 dirtbags to be executed

Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:09 pm to
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Nothing screams “big time government progressive” like tax payers having to foot the bill for murderers and rapists for 50+ yrs each.

I oppose the death penalty........BECAUSE I'm conservative.

Alas, that's another thread.

CNN's subtle baiting in the OP is the fun part
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:09 pm to
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wild can't deal with anything out there that's uncomfortable

OP:

"Oh, look everybody, CNN is BIASED!!1!"

No fricking kidding, simp.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56694 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:10 pm to
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The PA gives the Executive sole authority to determine who is a terrorist - with no recourse by the accused. It would be a small step to make terrorism itself a capital offense.



I am certainly against executive prerogative in naming/labeling people terrorists without some kind of oversight. This is not what I am talking about, and none of the convicts named in the story have any kind of relevance to this hypothetical.

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It's putting the ultimate power in the fallible government's hands.



State actors already have the 'legitimate' imperative to enact violence with no recourse. Enacting the death penalty does not expand or abridge this power.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:10 pm to
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I oppose the death penalty........BECAUSE

...you're obviously prog filth.

You try to hide it with your insults and other ad hominem attacks, but you've been exposed as just another SJW.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95573 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:11 pm to
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What's funny is, most people won't easily spot the obvious "editorial choice" they made in pic selection.


For the record - Bourgeois - light-skinned black dude.

Wesley Purkey - whiter than sour cream

Lezmond Mitchell - Feather, not dot.


Look at it this way - we have to resume these executions so we can deliver some justice to maniac bastard Dylan Roof and that fricking Tsarnaev punk-arse bitch.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:11 pm to
Shorty, I know the feeling is not mutual, but I actually like you.

With that being said, you do spend far too much time looking for things to be offended about.

Perhaps more so than most liberals.

sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:11 pm to
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You try to hide it with your insults and other ad hominem attacks, but you've been exposed as just another SJW.


Remember this thread the next time you think I "only think X because I'm in lockstep"
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:12 pm to
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I would prefer the executions to be public

I totally agree with this - if we are to execute our citizens.

We should be exposed to the horror of what our government is doing. Why do they hide it?
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
87208 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:12 pm to
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Yes. A lifetime in prison is worse than putting them out of their misery.



At our expense? No thanks.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:15 pm to
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the next time you think I "only think X because I'm in lockstep"

The "next" time I think that will be the first.

I'm not sure what group, specifically, you think I'm in lock step with, but I've just never been a group-joiner. I'm a member of one professional organization, and that's it.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:18 pm to
WT, you missed the point. People routinely accuse Shorty of being a lockstep Trumpkin, when he is actually one of the few in that group who routinely disagrees with the masses on several issues.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:18 pm to
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none of the convicts named in the story have any kind of relevance to this hypothetical.

Will the state be putting them to death?

If "yes", then it has very much to do with the hypothetical.
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State actors already have the 'legitimate' imperative to enact violence with no recourse

Help me out here, because I'm not coming up with any examples.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95573 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:19 pm to
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I totally agree with this - if we are to execute our citizens.


Total agreement. I'm generally for the death penalty, obviously reserved for the most heinous crimes, but generally supportive.

But it needs to be effective and rare. Both of those could be satisfied by making them mandatorily public. Cable access, C-Span, something as unbiased and unvarnished as possible being the official. Or, just webcast it.

1. If we have the balls to do it, we should do it in front of God and everyone, and

2. IF it is to have any sort of deterrent effect, this will be the best way, IMHO.

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:20 pm to
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WT, you missed the point. People routinely accuse Shorty of being a lockstep Trumpkin

I said he was prog filth, not a Trumpkin.

After all, isn't not being in lock-step with Trump reason enough to be labled "prog filth" on this board? I've seen it happen often enough.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:20 pm to
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With that being said, you do spend far too much time looking for things to be offended about.



Probably true although I never get "offended".

Offense is a choice which means no one else can "offend" me and by extension, "offended" shouldn't even be an English word.

But yeah. The left has pretty much completely jaded me at this point. I'll cop to that
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:22 pm to
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But it needs to be effective and rare. Both of those could be satisfied by making them mandatorily public. Cable access, C-Span, something as unbiased and unvarnished as possible being the official. Or, just webcast it.


I suspect there would be pretty massive backlash from the families of the condemned as well as people arguing on their behalf.

Which, honestly, I would probably agree with even though yeah, I understand your point entirely
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:22 pm to
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1. If we have the balls to do it, we should do it in front of God and everyone, and 2. IF it is to have any sort of deterrent effect, this will be the best way, IMHO.

I hate to stain your reputation by agreeing with you, but I do just the same.

Give me the word, and I'll edit this out.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:24 pm to
I find the death penalty be an interesting issue for the following reasons.

1)The left opposes it for exactly the correct reasons and yet, can't seem to grasp that those reasons apply to everything else government.

2)The right recognizes that govt, run by humans, is inherently prone by its nature to extremely uneven results, yet fails to apply this reality to a governmental decision that is impossible to take back.

Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56694 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:25 pm to
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If "yes", then it has very much to do with the hypothetical.



No, it doesn't.

If these people were being put to death under contrived, political "crimes against the state" or somesuch kind of offense, you'd have a point. But they aren't. They have been convicted of heinous, terrible, violent crimes which have absolutely no relevance to their opinions or actions against the state.

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Help me out here, because I'm not coming up with any examples.



Ever hear of a cop that fatally shoots someone with thin justification that ends in no recourse? That happens not because of the case, but because of their role within the state (which is the only legitimate initiator of violence; no other individual or group has that power).
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/26/19 at 2:31 pm to
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At our expense? No thanks.o

It's cheaper than going through all the protections of the judicial system to put someone to death.

It'd be even cheaper if we hadn't monetized the prison system.

And no AC is cruel? Maybe, but it's not unusual. frick AC in prisons. frick entertainment in prisons. Prison shouldn't be a place to chill and watch TV.
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