re: Indians- WTH is their problem?& what would be their vision of this land w/o white man

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You should read the book 1491, about pre-European America. Their societies were far more advanced than you might think. By the time Europeans arrived en-mass most of their communities had been decimated by disease, so it was like arriving in medieval Europe right after a more intense version of the Black Death.

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Didn’t most disease come post-Columbian contact? Smallpox, measles, etc.? Didn’t that have the greater affect on their populations? What pre-Columbian diseases were so devastating that they caused a total collapse of Native American cultures and societies to a point that they were more or less Paleolithic or Neolithic societies before Columbus arrived?

I’m honestly interested. Native American societies, as far as I have been educated, were practicing human sacrifice and bludgeoning each other with blunt objects and bows and arrows before Columbus arrived. Was there a Native American enlightenment period that we have not been educated upon? Why didn’t Western Europe totally lose its society and culture after bouts with the bubonic plague?

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I think the Indians would have us still living in teepees & skinning buffaloes for clothes.

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Plains Indians, my ancestors were a bit more civilized. Don’t get me wrong, we’d happily kill anyone we felt like and steal anything in sight.

What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is negotiable isn’t new.

The trail of tears had an alternative, we didn’t take it and so misery and death ensued, as it always did throughout history. I’m not mad about it, we lost, and the losers get what they get.

My family chose the alternative. We accepted the white mans ways and aren’t in some shithole on a reservation. Go visit the Navajo one sometime to see what poor looks like.

So yes, this land is better off and a great nation emerged.

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They had horses and that was it.

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They didn’t even have horses until the Spaniards brought them in the 1600’s.

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Native Americans were still living in the stone age when Europeans arrived

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From the end of the ice age until about 1525 they were walking everywhere they went. The entirety of their world was what they could load on their backs.

The great horse culture’s of the Comanche, Sioux, & Kiowa never takes place if not for stray or stolen Conquistador stock.

Yes, but the first contact often occurred long before the mass migration of Europeans. After first contact the diseases spread rapidly, and by “second contact” the communities were devastated.

Also, responding to others, the Mayans did use copper for jewelry. They had writing and cities with estimated populations of 250k people. The Inca had stoned paved roads, canals, aqueducts.

The victim mentality is a big part of some native American cultures, or at least with the Indian equivalent of university professors. I’ve been wondering how far and wide this mentality spreads throughout Native Americans.

I don’t see it too much with the Chitimacha Tribe folks I know in South Louisiana, but my old high school buddy married a Native American lady in Washington state (I don’t know the tribe), and she’s full-on WOKE. Insufferable.

shite they would have just hunted and fished and smoked weed

thankfully we
showed up and introduced casinos and whiskey