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re: In which wars / engagements were the military ‘fighting for our freedom’?
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:34 am to weagle1999
Posted on 6/3/25 at 11:34 am to weagle1999
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In which wars / engagements were the military ‘fighting for our freedom’?
Check when the War Department was rebranded to the Department of Defense and see if there’s a trend.
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 3:15 pm to weagle1999
WWII.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:01 pm to HeadCall
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the civil war was primarily fought for the freedom of the slaves
Untrue
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:03 pm to weagle1999
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Which other events, had they turned out differently, would have caused the American people to enjoy ‘less freedom’?
yeah yeah yeah, we know. You don't think 'freedom' is a thing that can be taken away from us. For you, it's 'freedumb'.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:06 pm to BTROleMisser
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WWII.
War of 1812. WWI. WW2. The Korean War. Vietnam (fighting commie expansion is definitely 'fighting for our freedom', especially now that we see up close what commies will do when they get power).
And the cold war was one long slog of fighting for our freedom.
So pretty much all of them except maybe Iraq. And throw in any others where our adversaries were marxists/leninists/communist.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:48 pm to weagle1999
The War of 1812
The Seminole Wars
The Wars of Expansion Westward/Indian Wars
The War Against Spain
The Invasion of Iraq 2003
Probably missed one or two.
The Seminole Wars
The Wars of Expansion Westward/Indian Wars
The War Against Spain
The Invasion of Iraq 2003
Probably missed one or two.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:50 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:My dad had a ton of history books, military history books in particular, and I first learned about him from a book on the Bonus Army, which led to me reading War is a Racket, along with several other books that disillusioned me from any "fighting for our freedom" narratives well before I enlisted.
Sixty minutes well spent.
Retired now for four years. Spent nearly forty years in uniform as a Soldier (both enlisted and commissioned service). Proud of my service and thankful for what the Army did for me. But I wish as I became a more senior officer I had read this book. Eye opening to say the least.
I'm thankful for that as it saved me from any grand fantasies that I was anything other than a pawn serving the interest of ultra-wealthy men that didn't give a frick if I, or all my friends, ended up face down in a foxhole. I saw a lot of my fellow soldiers struggle with that truth when it finally became clear to them as well.
I've always viewed my "service" as strictly transactional which is why I'm uncomfortable when people thank me for my service. I fought only for my friends and a paycheck.
I took a lot of shite for it at the time, especially 2003 when I was absolutely the only guy in my company not buying into the WMD bullshite and vocally disagreed with our upcoming invasion of Iraq. My NCO's started referring to me as 'Hippie", which was my nickname in my unit for years.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:52 pm to HeadCall
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Well the civil war was primarily fought for the freedom of the slaves so you could argue for that one.
How about for the freedom of the southern states ? “You’re free to join the union but you’re not free to leave.”
Posted on 6/3/25 at 4:55 pm to weagle1999
There were some engagements we have entered into that we all may disagree with that have certainly made our lives easier and better in this country.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:05 pm to The Maj
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June 4, 1942 was the last declaration of war which was part of WWII... Since then it has been "police actions", "advisory missions", etc...
And you could argue that most if not all have been complete failures that have not benefitted American citizens at all. We've just added to the instability of the world and made it a less safe for literally the entire world.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:09 pm to northshorebamaman
Agree with every word. Got there much later than you, but I eventually got there.
We won’t be fooled again.
We won’t be fooled again.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:10 pm to Powerman
Mark this day down. I actually agree with Powerman.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:14 pm to David Fellows
WW1 was more certainly not fighting for American Freedoms.
The USA got involved in WW1 because Britain baited us into it.
The Lusitania was transporting munitions to help the British against the Germans in WW1. It was a valid target of war. Germany even took out dozens of ads in US Papers before sinking the Lusitania warning that they would be targeting ships that carried munitions.
Churchill purposefully withheld intelligence to deliberately put the Lusitania at risk to provoke a German attack and draw the United States into the war.
Churchill is a POS.
The USA got involved in WW1 because Britain baited us into it.
The Lusitania was transporting munitions to help the British against the Germans in WW1. It was a valid target of war. Germany even took out dozens of ads in US Papers before sinking the Lusitania warning that they would be targeting ships that carried munitions.
Churchill purposefully withheld intelligence to deliberately put the Lusitania at risk to provoke a German attack and draw the United States into the war.
Churchill is a POS.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:46 pm to Wolfhound45
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Got there much later than you, but I eventually got there.
Dont beat yourself up, to stay in any organization for a long period of time requires downing massive amounts of koolaid. The longer you are in the more koolaid it takes.
The lightbulb went off for me in 2008 I think. I was a CPT. We were heavily engaged in Sadr City fighting Sadrist and the Mahdi. Then it stopped, apparently we gave Bunny al Sadr a pallet of cash and we were best friends. We even did "joint" patrols with our new friends!!!
Such good friends that one of the grown ups thought it would be a good idea (the fairy) for us to dine together. So about 3 days after the "truce" a company of Sadr infantry and a troop of recon guys (our kill teams, snipers) sat and had a meal together. People that were actively trying (and succeeding) to kill each other literally hours earlier. Them on one side, us on the other. Not all weapons were on safe.
After that my personal policy and what I told everybody that would listen is that there is nothing here, including the mission, worth dying for. Do your job, go home.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:53 pm to weagle1999
WW 2. A Nazi or Japanese victory would have been catastrophic. The Germans had specific plans for the eventual occupation of parts of the East coast, and they had naval assets in the Gulf.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 5:57 pm to weagle1999
Mexico vs American War was the pivotal point of our nation.
Manifest Destiny!
God so many of you are ignorantly slimed
Manifest Destiny!
God so many of you are ignorantly slimed
Posted on 6/3/25 at 6:02 pm to Wolfhound45
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Mark this day down. I actually agree with Powerman.
We have been involved with so many conflicts around the world since WW2 and none of them have been successful. All have come at a great cost to the country fiscally. None of them have benefited American citizens or the world at large. We are going down the same road that the British empire went down but at a faster pace.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 6:09 pm to BhamTigah
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Allowing another country, like Nazzi Germany or Communist USSR, to take all of Europe and parts of Asia would have obviously changed our lives, not necessarily restricting our freedom, but changing the way the world operates (would have impacted our freedom to travel and see the world).
We should have listened to Patton and gone to war with the USSR and defeated them right then before they developed nukes. The Cold War led to the creation of the behemoth that is the intelligence agencies and the MIC in order to counter the Soviets. Had we listened to Patton, the need for all of that government doesn’t arise. Communism doesn’t spread. Arms race doesn’t occur. The result?
A free Eastern Europe and millions of people not murdered by Stalin.
Deep State never materializes.
The beginning of deficit spending during peacetime doesn’t start. Arms race was expensive
Vietnam war doesnt happen. It’s possible that Mao and the CCP don’t take over China with no Soviet support.
It’s possible the commies don’t infiltrate our academic institutions.
A whole lot more freedom for us and millions of others had we listened to Patton.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 6:11 pm to TheBoomerEntomber
BS.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 6:12 pm to Powerman
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None of them have benefited American citizens or the world at large.
You leftists are hilarious.
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