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His position was that we have the technology to have a TRUE democracy where popular vote wins (RE: Presidential elections)

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Tell them the story about the 1960 World Series when the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55 to 27. The Pirates won the series. The Pirates brought the trophy back to Pittsburgh. The Yankees did not challenge the outcome since both teams were aware that the first team to win 4 games wins the series.

Both the 1960 World Series and the 2016 Presidential elections are nothing more than a mathematical curiosity. Nothing more - nothing less. Democrats think if they say it often enough, the "Rules Ferry" will come in the middle of the night and sprinkle magical election dust and everybody will just say OK.

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And they would still say that we are a Democracy because they knew simple definitions of things

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These arguments often stem from semantics.

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Despite clear historical evidence showing that the United States was established as a republic and not a democracy, there is still confusion regarding the difference between these two very different systems of government. Some confusion stems because the word "democracy" is used to describe both a "type" and a "form" of government. As a "type" of government, it means that generally free elections are held periodically, which America has. But, as a "form" of government, it means rule by the majority, which America does not have; America is a republic.

Webster`s 1828 dictionary states that a Republic is: "A commonwealth; a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage, it differs from a democracy or democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty in person…"1 In a democratic form of government, the populace votes on all matters that affect them, and do not elect others to represent their interests. Therefore, a majority-rules direct democracy gives unlimited power to the majority with no protection of the individual`s God-given inalienable rights or the rights of minority groups. In contrast, in a Republic, the power of the majority is limited by a written constitution which safeguards the God-given inalienable rights of minority groups and individuals alike.

It is historically relevant to note that since the birth of our nation in 1776, no American president referred to America as a democracy until Woodrow Wilson misapplied the term during World War I. Sadly, today, it has become common to use the term democracy in describing our form of government,2 including in recent years by both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

The Founders never used the words" republic" and "democracy" interchangeably. They had studied various forms and systems of government from throughout history in order to establish a system of government that would best deter a tyrant (in their case King George III), or a group of tyrants, from denying God-given rights to Americans. Interestingly, the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution do not use the term democracy to describe our form of government. ?Furthermore, "Neither the Articles of Confederation nor the Constitution set up direct democracies."3 ?The authors of these founding documents disagreed on many points, but on one point they ALL agreed wholeheartedly: "The United States is not a democracy, never was, and never was intended to be. It is a Republic."

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Alexander Hamilton asserted that "We are now forming a Republican form of government. Real liberty is not found in the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments. If we incline too much to democracy we shall soon shoot into a monarchy, or some other form of a dictatorship."4 ?Hamilton, in the last letter he ever wrote, warned that "our real disease?is DEMOCRACY."3

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Thomas Jefferson declared: "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

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Benjamin Franklin had similar concerns of a democracy when he warned that “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” After the Constitutional Convention was concluded, in 1787, a bystander inquired of Franklin: "Well, Doctor, what have we got?a Republic or a Monarchy?" Franklin replied, "A Republic, if you can keep it."

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John Adams, our second president, wrote: “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.”

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James Madison, the father of the Constitution wrote in Federalist Paper No. 10 that pure democracies “have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”3

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The Constitution itself, in Article IV, Section 4, declares: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” Obviously the Framers were not speaking of a political party, as no political parties existed at that time. ?The Pledge of Allegiance, although not a founding document, does strike the right chord when it asks Americans to "?pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands?"

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The electoral college is a disaster for democracy

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We aren’t a democracy for good reason.

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The electoral college is a disaster for democracy

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Can you imagine the turmoil on this board if Trump had won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College?

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The electoral college is a disaster for democracy

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You do get that the EC works EXACTLY like a 'democratically elected' legislature works? You vote to send someone, who thens votes on your behalf for things that may or may coincide with the wishes of the voters. Depending on how the other representatives vote. But never on how the public majority votes

But its you, so you might not be able to comprehend at that level

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every President from here through eternity would be elected by California and New York (State). We see what stellar successes they are.

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well compared to Louisiana...