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re: In Montreal, you can’t have a Christian singer have a worship service in a Church

Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:25 pm to
Posted by Rip Torn
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:25 pm to
There are several countries with castrated white males running the country and they are all ex British nations or French. It needs no other explanation lol
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:28 pm to
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I just spent 5 minutes explaining to my 7 year old why we like cushions on the back of our sofas.

That was more enjoyable than even one second spent wondering if Slow is fricking with me or actually autistic.

I saw a kid debating abortion get cornered logically where his position was stupid or he believed murdering 6-month olds was okay. Rather than take the L, he said the words - "yeah, until they can speak to express themselves, I think it's okay to kill babies" - that's how I'm seeing Slo in this thread.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:28 pm to
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You said it was a ruse

The nature of the event, not his religious beliefs.

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and that Christians lie.

They do. Are you arguing Christians don't lie?

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Then you stated that he was sincere. Which is it?

Read the words you quoted. Both are talking about his description of the event, clearly.

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going to church in a city on his concert tour does not equate to normal “worship service.”


If he just went to attend church? Clearly not.

Hell, if he had joined their choir for a song or 2.

That's not what happened. At all.

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The police don’t seemed to have been based disrupting the church service on lack of permits (they allowed it to continue), but rather because they disapproved.

That’s probably why they allowed Antifa to continue to harass tyd churchgoer's.

In essence, the decision to disrupt the church service was capricious and arbitrary.

You're making a lot of assumptions only to still end up at the "there is a proper legal response and they didn't engage in it" ending.

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Allowing for continued harassment seems to have been for the goose-steppers own enjoyment.

Now you're off the rails
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:29 pm to
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I think it's okay to kill babies" - that's how I'm seeing Slo in this thread.


WTF

Because I point out that people are lying trying to create a ruse that a concert is a normal church service?
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:29 pm to
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You have to have permits for events universally.

Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:30 pm to
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When its' a concert being part of a concert tour.


Direct quote from you

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You claimed it wasn’t sincere worship because it was in a city on his concert tour.


What you are calling a strawman.

Understand how you're misusing the fallacy? (I know you don't)
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:32 pm to
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Not what I said. I even gave advice on the proper response if they are wrong.

You have far too much respect for your own profession, much like the retard MDs that preached there was no such thing as natural immunity for Covid because that's what the medical industrial complex told them to say.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:32 pm to
Co3xi$t
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:34 pm to
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WTF

Because I point out that people are lying trying to create a ruse that a concert is a normal church service?

Yes. Your arguments are logically flawed bigly and you're doubling down on them every five minutes. Like that retard in the abortion debate I referred to did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:35 pm to
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What you are calling a strawman.


I never said anything relating to his sincerity as a Christian because it was a concert on a tour.

That's a conflation of 2 separate arguments

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Understand how you're misusing the fallacy? (I know you don't)

I'm not. He posted something I never said. You are now apparently doubling down on his errors.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:37 pm to
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Your arguments are logically flawed bigly

Everyone who has claimed this has tried to change the facts to fit their arguments.

They thought they were clever being deceptive and creating a ruse.

It was not successful.

They ignored other potentially successful avenues instead.

They chose poorly
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:37 pm to
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I'd be bound to call this a concert and discuss the regulations that apply to that actual version of the facts (aka reality)

Based on your opinion, or based on a legal definition of a concert in Canada, Quebec, or Montreal law?

This sounds very "it feels right to me".

I find it hard to believe a Lawyer would go with his gut to court in a foreign country without both local legal expert advice, and a through review of the legal codes by his team.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:38 pm to
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Based on your opinion,

No based on facts.

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I find it hard to believe a Lawyer would go with his gut to court in a foreign country without both local legal expert advice, and a through review of the legal codes by his team.

update: posts on TD are not legal filings
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:38 pm to
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Everyone who has claimed this has tried to change the facts to fit their arguments.

They thought they were clever being deceptive and creating a ruse.

It was not successful.

I know you believe this, but SFP on PT believing something doesn't make it so. You are fricked in the head on this one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:42 pm to
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You are fricked in the head on this one.

Why?

I'll put it this way. Compared to the other services of this church, how different can it be and still be claimed to be a legitimate service?

Has there been any factual distinction that this was anything other than his other concert sets?

Let's just start with the most "extreme" facts: If we find out it's the same sets playing the same songs as his other tour dates, with nothing else changed, would you concede then that this is a concert and not a legitimate worship service of the church?
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7970 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:42 pm to
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update: posts on TD are not legal filings


uhhh

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I'd hope so, because that would be a dishonest way of describing the facts involved. I would never lie like that in a legal argument.

I'd be bound to call this a concert
and discuss the regulations that apply to that actual version of the facts (aka reality)


Just wow...

I wish your debate club videos were on youtube...

I would find them quite entertaining.

This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 6:44 pm
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:43 pm to
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I never said anything relating to his sincerity as a Christian because it was a concert on a tour.


Nobody has accused you of that.

You are calling it a ruse and not sincere worship, one reason you give is that it's part of a concert tour.

Again you're flailing and throwing up these incorrectly used fallacies as a shield.

Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:44 pm to
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Everyone who has claimed this has tried to change the facts to fit their arguments.


No they rejected your opinions as factual basis for an argument.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:45 pm to
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Nobody has accused you of that.

He literally did, multiple times

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You are calling it a ruse and not sincere worship

No I'm calling it a ruse and not a sincere worship service.

The sincerity was an unrelated discussion dealing with legal standards of religions and generally appliable laws. He just created a new, weird conflation of the 2 separate discussions.

Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:47 pm to
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He literally did, multiple times


Not in the exchange I referenced or the examples you used.

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You are calling it a ruse and not sincere worship No I'm calling it a ruse and not a sincere worship service.


What the shite is this? Is your distinction service?
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