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re: In Montreal, you can’t have a Christian singer have a worship service in a Church
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Help me understand how you came to the insanely stupid notion that a church hosting a Christian singer is anything other than worship.
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When its' a concert being part of a concert tour.
Wrong. There are plenty of Christian acts who tour the country and perform at churches. Our church hosted such an event jsit a few weeks ago. They happen literally every week all across the country.
When Cristians gather in a church and sing songs about Jesus, or listen to songs being sung about Jesus, that is by definition a worship service.
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:47 pm to Turbeauxdog
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What the shite is this? Is your distinction service?
The distinction in the event is that.
Which is completely unrelated to his sincerity as a Christian.
That's me separating the conflation for you.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Which is completely unrelated to his sincerity as a Christia
Which no one seems to be discussing but you.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:49 pm to Darth_Vader
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Our church hosted such an event jsit a few weeks ago.
So that particular service had no preacher and was just a musical act playing its concert set?
Or did they supplement the normal service, likely in place of the normal musical acts?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
If I own a restaurant and the city closes it down, can I still go home and cook for my family and friends?
If I’m a baseball player and the game gets cancelled, can I still play catch with my son?
If I’m a musician, and my concert at another venue is cancelled, can I still play at home? Practice with my band? Go to church and play?
If I was a pastor and the city cancelled my event - how long would I prohibited from preaching? Can I still go home and read the Bible?
This is so confusing
If I’m a baseball player and the game gets cancelled, can I still play catch with my son?
If I’m a musician, and my concert at another venue is cancelled, can I still play at home? Practice with my band? Go to church and play?
If I was a pastor and the city cancelled my event - how long would I prohibited from preaching? Can I still go home and read the Bible?
This is so confusing
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:52 pm to Nevada_Tiger
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If I own a restaurant and the city closes it down, can I still go home and cook for my family and friends?
Not comparable, but sure.
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If I’m a baseball player and the game gets cancelled, can I still play catch with my son?
Not comparable, but sure.
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If I’m a musician, and my concert at another venue is cancelled, can I still play at home?
Not comparable, but sure.
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Practice with my band?
Not comparable, but sure.
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Go to church and play?
That depends on the nature of the event, as has been discussed.
*ETA: I'll go back a page:
Let's just start with the most "extreme" facts: If we find out it's the same sets playing the same songs as his other tour dates, with nothing else changed, would you concede then that this is a concert and not a legitimate worship service of the church?
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So that particular service had no preacher and was just a musical act playing its concert set? Or did they supplement the normal service, likely in place of the normal musical acts?
None of this is relevant.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So that particular service had no preacher and was just a musical act playing its concert set? Or did they supplement the normal service, likely in place of the normal musical acts?
Earlier ITT, you claimed you’ve attended numerous demonstrations of churches. That’s another lie. I say that because if you had, you’d know churches of almost all denominations hold events called “church singing” where either the church members themselves gather and sing Christian songs, or quite often a Christian musical group comes in and does the singing. Most of the times these are just musical events, with at most an ending statement and alter invitation from the pastor. No sermon is preached at singings.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:56 pm to Turbeauxdog
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None of this is relevant.
It's highly relevant distinguishing a concert from an actual worship service.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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Earlier ITT, you claimed you’ve attended numerous demonstrations of churches.
Correct.
I've never been to one that was a concert set exclusively.
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That’s another lie.
No, it's not.
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. I say that because if you had, you’d know churches of almost all denominations hold events called “church singing” where either the church members themselves gather and sing Christian songs, or quite often a Christian musical group comes in and does the singing.
Yeah that's fine. That isn't what happened here. That wasn't even the regularly-scheduled event at that church (the website is still up and hasn't been updated)
So let me ask the question again, since you didn't:
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So that particular service had no preacher and was just a musical act playing its concert set? Or did they supplement the normal service, likely in place of the normal musical acts?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's highly relevant distinguishing a concert from an actual worship service.
Wrong again. Churches hold singings all the time and they’re considered a worship service.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Let's just start with the most "extreme" facts: If we find out it's the same sets playing the same songs as his other tour dates, with nothing else changed, would you concede then that this is a concert and not a legitimate worship service of the church?
Can you reference a single US legal case where this was a point of contention?
Or a single Canadian case besides this one?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Let's just start with the most "extreme" facts: If we find out it's the same sets playing the same songs as his other tour dates, with nothing else changed, would you concede then that this is a concert and not a legitimate worship service of the church?
No, because none of that is relevant. The church is permitted to hold worship, (or allowed to do so without permitting) and once the performance was moved into the church, discussion over. For many Christian's , music is worship.
Do you think churches get permits for their Christmas pageants?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So that particular service had no preacher and was just a musical act playing its concert set? Or did they supplement the normal service, likely in place of the normal musical acts?
The absence of a sermon doesn’t matter. As I said, if Christians gather in a chuck and Christian music is performed, that is a worship service.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:02 pm to Turbeauxdog
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No, because none of that is relevant.
So the nature of the event isn't relevant to distinguishing the nature of the event?
Got it.
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once the performance was moved into the church, discussion over.
Ok Emperor Turbeauxdog. I'm glad you unilaterally get to determine facts and law.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So that particular service had no preacher and was just a musical act playing its concert set? Or did they supplement the normal service, likely in place of the normal musical acts?
Yes, more times than I can count.
In Evangelical Circles, there are traveling bands that replace the normal events every so often.
It gives the pastor a break that week.
Those bands then take an offering to continue their ministry.
Have you ever gone to a evangelical church for more than 3 months straight?
I'm pretty sure most I've attended did 4-12 guest services a year.
Sometimes Missionaries, sometimes musical ministries, some itinerant preachers.
It's really a thing. Met a missionary who once ate a giant spider in Cambodia.
Pretty cool.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:03 pm to Darth_Vader
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The absence of a sermon doesn’t matter.
That's not answering my question, again.
You don't get another chance.
Classic Darth
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:04 pm to Narax
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Have you ever gone to a evangelical church for more than 3 months straight?
You'd have to define "evangelical" for these purposes, because that is one of those terms that will change rapidly with the person.
Hell we just had a discussion a few weeks ago on here if Catholics could be Evangelicals.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hell we just had a discussion a few weeks ago on here if Catholics could be Evangelicals.
That is a good point, I do believe Catholics can be evangelicals, but my Background is more nondenominational and Pentecostal, very music heavy churches.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 7:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So the nature of the event isn't relevant to distinguishing the nature of the event?
Of course it is, just not on your retarded terms.
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I'm glad you unilaterally get to determine facts and law.
The facts are people gathered in a church to cerebrate Christ.
That's worshipping.
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