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re: In God We Trust now under attack..
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:49 am to rumproast
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:49 am to rumproast
I've heard this my entire adult life. I assume something will happen at some point, but for now, it's just red meat for liberals and it gets brought up by some random Dem nearly every election cycle.
They use our money all over the world. Nobody cares that it refers to God.
They use our money all over the world. Nobody cares that it refers to God.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:51 am to AUstar
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The same argument can be made for the other side. Why are they letting a "phrase on currency" upset them so much?
The bigger issue is that it exposes the complete ignorance about how the country was founded. "In God We Trust" is not a foundation phrase.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:54 am to BFIV
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It won't. Those who follow Christ's teachings do believe, however, that removing "In God We Trust" will affect God's relationship with our nation. That is the crux of the issue.
Which verse in the Bible refers to Jesus' love of the Americas?
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:56 am to BaylorTiger
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I thought “in god we trust” and “one nation under god” wasn’t added until like the 50s?
Yeah, the 1850s.
I have an 1869 nickel that has that on it
MAGA
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:56 am to Revelator
Jesus had zero clue what existed outside the small area in which he lived. He had no clue there were people who lived outside of his area in other parts of the world all who believed in a different religion and god than he did. Something as simple as a wheelbarrow would have been a technological marvel in the time of Jesus.
Things change. Jesus had no clue there was a North America. Or an Asia. Or South America. Or Australia. Etc.
Things change. Jesus had no clue there was a North America. Or an Asia. Or South America. Or Australia. Etc.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:00 am to rumproast
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The founders were believers...because we were founded on Christian principles..yet they were tolerant of other religious views and would not persecute others for their beliefs. However, the coy was a Christian country.
Nothing exposes someone faster as a poor student of history or an easily influenced parroter of indoctrination than the claim that the US was founded on Christianity.
The U.S. was founded on inalienable human rights and responsible self-governance, neither of which have an iota to do with Christian principles.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:03 am to mofungoo
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Yeah, the 1850s.
I have an 1869 nickel that has that on it
Yes, Lincoln authorized its use on certain coins at the urging of Pennsylvania pastor to symbolize that God favored the Union during the Civil War. He got the idea from Canada who used it on a Coat of Arms. We then used it on paper currency in the 1950s in an effort to declare that God was on our side in the Cold War. Florida has officially adopted it as its state motto.
So under PT logic, God favors:
Canada over other countries, the North of the U.S. over the South of U.S., the Western World over Communism, and Florida over all other states.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:09 am to rumproast
Some liberals say that America is a nation of immigrants and that America doesn't really have a culture of it's own. Then they try to destroy symbols of our culture wherever they go, in a self fulfilling prophecy. Our freedoms, our symbols, our statues, our mottos, etc. American traditions are being labeled "white man's culture", in an attempt to marginalize it.
Sometimes I think that progressives just want to tear stuff down just to see if they can and because they want to stir the pot and piss people off.
Sometimes I think that progressives just want to tear stuff down just to see if they can and because they want to stir the pot and piss people off.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 10:13 am
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:13 am to mofungoo
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:15 am to Powerman
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I'd argue we're very far disconnected from our roots
And getting further away every day. That's not a good thing.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:18 am to Jake_LaMotta
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Jesus had zero clue what existed outside the small area in which he lived. He had no clue there were people who lived outside of his area in other parts of the world all who believed in a different religion and god than he did. Something as simple as a wheelbarrow would have been a technological marvel in the time of Jesus.
You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. The Bible describes in exacting detail how Jesus, the second person of the trinity was responsible for creating this very earth and everything in it. I'm pretty sure
, as the creator, he had a clue about what was in other parts of the globe!
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Colossians 1:15 ¶ He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:19 am to Muthsera
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The U.S. was founded on inalienable human rights
Why were they inalienable, according to the Founders?
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:26 am to AUstar
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The same argument can be made for the other side. Why are they letting a "phrase on currency" upset them so much?
How would you feel if your government changed the motto to “No gods, no kings, only man”?
It doesn’t upset us; we simply think it’s inappropriate for the government to be making proclamations on the subject.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:26 am to GRTiger
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Why were they inalienable, according to the Founders?
According to Jefferson, as taken from Locke, human beings are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:33 am to GRTiger
Because they come from Nature, as Aristotle argued.
The Founders didn't invent the idea of natural rights, they were inspired - as the rest of the Western world was - by the Greeks.
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Universal law is the law of Nature. For there really is, as every one to some extent divines, a natural justice and injustice that is binding on all men, even on those who have no association or covenant with each other.
The Founders didn't invent the idea of natural rights, they were inspired - as the rest of the Western world was - by the Greeks.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:40 am to Muthsera
Did they credit Aristotle in the Declaration?
They do reference the laws of nature, but certainly their motivations and beliefs also rested on their belief in a creator as the source of those rights.
I'm not arguing that we use those couple of lines as evidence they intended America to be a Christian nation, but I think the argument that many of their motivations and justifications for establishing an independent nation weren't founded in their religious beliefs is weak.
They do reference the laws of nature, but certainly their motivations and beliefs also rested on their belief in a creator as the source of those rights.
I'm not arguing that we use those couple of lines as evidence they intended America to be a Christian nation, but I think the argument that many of their motivations and justifications for establishing an independent nation weren't founded in their religious beliefs is weak.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:46 am to GRTiger
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They do reference the laws of nature, but certainly their motivations and beliefs also rested on their belief in a creator as the source of those rights.
The exact quote is "of Nature and Nature's God" which falls in line with Deism. Jefferson wrote it and Adams and Franklin edited and approved of that line.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:49 am to rumproast
quote:God isn't the foundation of this country
These assholes are really trying to destroy the entire foundation of our country.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:53 am to rumproast
The irony is that we could use some "E Pluribus Unum" more than ever right now.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:53 am to rumproast
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rumproast
Have you been in a coma since 1980?
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