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Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:11 am to KeyserSoze999
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gotta be pretty fragile to see that one
Sure, that could be the case. Or, you know, I just read a bit more than you:
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Barrow framed it as a way to introduce kids to religion. “I believe we owe and have that obligation to at least ensure they have that introduction, because we cannot assume that it is always happening at home," she said.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:12 am to Holden Caulfield
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He was right about all of it. The New York Times went out of its way to protect communist infiltrators like Alger Hiss.
I agree, and now, a half century later, there is more communist infiltration into our government than back then.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:14 am to BaylorTiger
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Surely you can see the difference in what we’re talking about a song a guy wrote.
Surely you understand, from my limited contribution to the thread, that I was providing historical background and not establishing a stance one way or another on the motto.
I didn't develop my belief system, such as it is, from reading U.S. currency.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:16 am to mindbreaker
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Secondly, how is removing," In God we Trust" from anything going to impact my personal relationship with God?
It won't. Those who follow Christ's teachings do believe, however, that removing "In God We Trust" will affect God's relationship with our nation. That is the crux of the issue.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:19 am to Joshjrn
what do politicians know? Its obviously symbolism, even you admit to studying the bible, if there is a creator, then even the most adamant atheist has a belief of the creator up in their skull somewhere, I don't see where the homage hurts anything
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:20 am to BaylorTiger
quote:Most of the Civil War statues were erected in the first two decades of the twentieth century, though there certainly WERE a few erected as recently as the later part of the Civil Rights Era.
I thought “in god we trust” and “one nation under god” wasn’t added until like the 50s?
Kind of like a lot of these civil war statues not being errrected until the 50’s during the height of the civil rights movement
"One Nation" has always been a part of the official pledge. "Under God" was added in 1954, to differentiate us from those "Godless Communists" in Russia.
"In God we Trust" was made the national motto in 1956 for the same reason, though it was used sporadically for a century before that time.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:21 am to KeyserSoze999
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what do politicians know?
As a general rule, very little. However, considering Barrow is the author of the bill, I’m going to take her word for why she authored it
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:23 am to Jay Quest
quote:Not sure what a "national reference" might be, but for a century-and-a-quarter "The Star Spangled Banner" was just a poem and later a song. It did not become the National Anthem until 1934.
One of the first times the words (In God we Trust) were used as a national reference to faith was in Key's Star Spangled Banner in 1814.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:26 am to Powerman
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This seems like something that neither side should care at all about
I would agree, except that a nation can't survive if it doesn't have roots and the left is doing everything they can to destroy every root our country as.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:26 am to AggieHank86
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Not sure what a "national reference" might be
In the Star Spangled Banner Key referred to trust in God as "our motto". Take it for what you will.
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It did not become the National Anthem until 1934.
That is why I intentionally did not use the term national anthem in my post.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:36 am to BFIV
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It won't. Those who follow Christ's teachings do believe, however, that removing "In God We Trust" will affect God's relationship with our nation. That is the crux of the issue.
The only nation I've ever known God to say was his is Israel.
I don't think that God blesses or curses a nation based on what they do corporately. I believe that his blessings flow to a nation based on how his people obey or reject him personally.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:51 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I would agree, except that a nation can't survive if it doesn't have roots and the left is doing everything they can to destroy every root our country as.
I'd argue we're very far disconnected from our roots
If you think that a phrase on paper currency is what will help us survive then I don't know what to tell you
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:56 am to Revelator
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The only nation I've ever known God to say was his is Israel.
I don't think that God blesses or curses a nation based on what they do corporately. I believe that his blessings flow to a nation based on how his people obey or reject him personally.
This verse of scripture is what I referred to in my post on this topic.
"2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:13 am to rumproast
Republicans and conservatives need to let go of their stranglehold of social issues like God, sex and statues. These are losing battles and show a lack of progress into 21st century.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 9:14 am
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:13 am to BFIV
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"2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
First, I agree with this.
Secondly, it is an Old Testament verse that was specifically talking about Israel. ( I do agree that it could have applications to other countries)
Lastly, the key phrase is, my people. If non Christian entities do ungodly things, this is expected. I'm more concerned with how Christians act and conduct themselves than I am about the world behaving worldly.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:15 am to Dale51
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The "deist" part is debatable, as is the claim of being "the most important" role..
The Deist is pretty widely accepted. We can argue most important all day long but he's certainly one of the most influential with Madison, Adams, Franklin, Jay, Hamilton, etc.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:35 am to Revelator
quote:nor will it affect any God hater's ability to live and breath.
and striking the phrase," In God We Trust" from our money or anywhere else should do nothing to affect your relationship with him.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:40 am to rumproast
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John Marty was born in Evanston, Illinois, on November 1, 1956. He is the son of author and theologian Martin E. Marty. He attended St. Olaf College and graduated with a BA in Ethics in 1978.
Those preacher's kids are always the worst.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:43 am to Powerman
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If you think that a phrase on paper currency is what will help us survive then I don't know what to tell you
The same argument can be made for the other side. Why are they letting a "phrase on currency" upset them so much?
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