re: In 1998 About 1 in 42 black men had already murdered someone by the time they turned 25

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Wait…is it crime that’s the real issue or blacks committing more of it than others?

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It's violent crime, but blacks commit such a disproportionally large amount of it that it's impossible to separate the two if the discussion is to be anything more than just bitching.

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Lack of resources causes crime to spill out into neighborhoods with more opportunities, and killing and violence to follow.

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Which is why Dems (especially Obama) promoted Section 8 housing moving into richer neighborhoods. It's too difficult for criminals to travel longer distances to rob and murder. We need to put them closer to their chosen vocation.

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no i'm arguing that if fatherlessness is the main culprit, as another poster insinuated, then those statistics do no correlate with a rate of 75%. rather it suggests other issues being the cause.

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Fatherlessness is a big contributor, but I think there's another underlying cause: the welfare system.

The welfare system as we know it today came about on the towards the end of the Civil Rights Era. Black communities had built up significant economies, the black family was strong and getting a good education was considered a ticket to freedom and prosperity as many blacks were still poor.

Then came Johnson's Economic Opportunity Act in late 1964 (known also as the Poverty Bill). This greatly expanded not just welfare, but the federal government's role in education throughout the country.

Today our welfare system is a sticky trap. It's not just easy to get into the system, the system entices people to come into it. Once there, the programs are individually set in income tiers which makes it more difficult to get off of them as there's no 1:1 weaning process. if you break into the next tier by just $.01 then you lose all the marginal benefits between that tier and the one you just moved up from (which can be hundreds of dollars per month, depending on the program(s)).

Added to that there are multiple behavior aspects which can add or detract from the amount of benefits one gets (being married can be a penalty, while being single and having kids gets you more money-per-head, poor behavior and grades in school means SSI money, etc).

So it's not just fatherlessness, it's the cumulative impact of being anywhere from 1 to three generations into a system which inadvertently foments fatherlessness (and that's before getting into other things going on simultaneously like gangs, the War on Drugs, etc).

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Which is why Dems (especially Obama) promoted Section 8 housing moving into richer neighborhoods. It's too difficult for criminals to travel longer distances to rob and murder. We need to put them closer to their chosen vocation.

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I don't think that was the reason. I think the reason is that progressives truly believe that people who have grown up being influenced by bad behaviors can have good behaviors rub off on them just by being closer to people who have grown up being influenced by good behaviors. What we see more often than not is the reverse. Progressives can't allow themselves to believe they could be wrong so they try to double-down on their philosophies when those philosophies fail. We've seen this behavior time and again and everytime failure becomes inevitable they simply try to do more of it while saying "it will work this time."

No father figure. No edUmuhcation, and culcha.

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Eh. Take a look at the stats when controlled for income. They may shock you.

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Feel free to post them.
thankns

Poverty/LBJ is a cop out. There are incredibly poor white, Latino, and Asian areas and almost none are remotely as violent as their urban counterparts.

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Blacks commit more crimes/homocide than other races.

What do you want to be done about that?

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1. I want those numbers to drop significantly, somehow.
2. I want black people to acknowledge these statistics, own up to them, quit blaming white people and a "racist country" and admit that this is their own problem they need to hold themselves accountable to fix.
3. I want black people to acknowledge that judging them on their behavior, such as this, is not "racist."
4. I want violent criminals to be locked up and the keys thrown away... and not have it undone because of BS cries of "racism"and "the New Jim Crow."
5. I want the death penalty to implemented and used often, and for more criminal offenses than just murder.
6. I want the news media and political leaders to quit ignoring that this is a real problem, admit who is responsible and cover it/discuss it honestly.
7. I want leftist DA's, politicians and activists to quit prosecuting or demanding the prosecution of people who defend themselves against violent black people.
8. I want Constitutional Carry nationwide so law abiding citizens can adequately protect themselves and their families without government interference.
9. I want to be left the F alone and not targeted for violent assault, robbery, burglary, or murder by thug criminals because they lazily view me and my skin as "privileged" and the cause of all the problems they created for themselves.

Thanks!

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Mo Jeaux

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