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re: Immigrants and welfare

Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:06 pm to
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illegals are criminals
Yes. Crossing the border is a misdemeanor - on par with a bad speeding violation or something like that.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138857 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:08 pm to
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Yes. Crossing the border is a misdemeanor - on par with a bad speeding violation or something like that.

So they just write you a ticket and send you on your way for crossing illegally?
Posted by PickupAutist
Member since Sep 2018
3038 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:09 pm to
There is a lot more public funding than just welfare. When they hop the border just to give birth on our dime, it’s not technically coming out of welfare. When they get paid under the table, use public services, send billions in wealth to Mexico on the form of remittance, and have their emergency medical expenses paid, it is coming out of our pockets even if it isn’t welfare.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 3:10 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22999 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:10 pm to
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They are most certainly immediately available for food stamps.


Technically, no. Illegal immigrants and even legal immigrants who haven't been here for 5 years (or meet an eligible alien exception such as being a refugee) are considered ineligible aliens and cannot receive SNAP for themselves.

However, any kids that they have with them are eligible. The problem happens because while the adult isn't eligible they aren't considered in the benefit household size and their income (if they report any) is prorated based on the total household size.

So a 3 person household (illegal mom and 2 kids) can be making ~$4500 a month and still receive SNAP because that $4500 is prorated to $1500 based on a household size of 3 and is below the gross income limit for a benefit household of 2.

So it's technically true that the illegal immigrant isn't receiving benefits but in reality they do.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
10094 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:15 pm to
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Yes. Crossing the border is a misdemeanor - on par with a bad speeding violation or something like that.


Yes, also on par with domestic violence, assault, theft, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, DUI and burglary. These are all misdemeanors as well.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117468 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:37 pm to
Illegal immigrants get free health care in NY.

LINK
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 3:52 pm to
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Crossing the border is a misdemeanor - on par with a bad speeding violation or something like tha


Actually, nothing at all like a speeding violation.
First time misdemeanor, second time felony.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:05 pm to
BS.

They they steal tax dollars from working Americans.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39756 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:13 pm to
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Actually, nothing at all like a speeding violation.
First time misdemeanor, second time felony.
At the federal level, both mailing an NCAA tourney bracket to someone as well as bringing fireworks across state lines are more severe crimes.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14659 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:15 pm to
Everyone should be pissed about tax dollars, a portion of our paychecks, going to illegals in some revenue stream.

A physical barrier will slow or impede the flow of illegals. The cost of it's construction is probably pennies to the dollar it costs to fund their benefits package.

Just think, an illegal obtained free healthcare and I had to dole out $15,000 plus last year just to say I had coverage for myself and family. How does that not piss off most?
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70347 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:18 pm to
They are when they’re using stolen ss numbers
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59098 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:21 pm to
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I think the wall is a total waste of money


I was going to link a story to corroborate your stance, but it was paywalled.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14659 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:24 pm to
So what's the fix?
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6297 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:27 pm to
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They they steal tax dollars from working Americans.


Are you talking about the Federal Govt ? Because they are the biggest drain on the american workers ever.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39756 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:28 pm to
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Just think, an illegal obtained free healthcare and I had to dole out $15,000 plus last year just to say I had coverage for myself and family. How does that not piss off most?
I compare my life to an illegal's life and wonder if I would trade places with them for $15K. I wouldn't. Then I move on.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14659 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:30 pm to
So I should feel good because I'm not an illegal? That makes up for our corrupt system?
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:34 pm to
Hey, dickhead, you asked a question. A guy with 10 years in Border Patrol answered your question and instead of thanking him, you switched tracks and went on a melt.

Don’t ask questions you don’t want answered.

Bitch move.


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Having spent 10 years as a Border Patrol agent, let me tell you how this works. Person crosses illegally, pops out multiple children that are all instantly US citizens. The mother may not be eligible for welfare but the children are entitled to the full package and the mother is given $1000+ in food stamps and welfare, along with WIC, housing subsidies, etc. And that's if they're doing it legally. That doesn't account for those that steal others' identities.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39756 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:35 pm to
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So I should feel good because I'm not an illegal? That makes up for our corrupt system?
You asked why it didn't piss me off. My answer is basically that my good life is way too short to be driven to continual anger by stuff like this.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14659 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:37 pm to
Fair enough.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39756 posts
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:39 pm to
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Fair enough.
I think there are rational steps that can be taken to address some of what is wrong at the southern border. However, I view a wall as hysterical. I liked it better when it was just a symbolic way to contrast with the absurd left and their "borders are racist" stance. Insisting on an actual wall, IMO, is an overplay of a strong hand which could be bad for Trump.
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