re: Immigrants and welfare

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Are you talking about the Federal Govt ? Because they are the biggest drain on the american workers ever.

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I was referring to illegals, but I'll agree both are out of control.

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Dems want the votes. Repubs want the labor. In construction it's the worse kept secret that certain companies hire cheap labor that against federal minimum wage laws. Some Republicans dont care because they dont like minimum wage (and that's another discussion entirely).

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Ever tried to hire an illegal below minimum wage, most would laugh. Its the fact you dont have to pay ANY of the other federal costs for an employee, FICA, Employee tax, WC, etc, and you dont have to worry about any lawsuits.

A physical barrier is a deterrent. Laws and language will always be argued, altered, or loosely followed. That's why intangible solutions are futile. Something of physical substance is needed. I don't trust language to solve the problem.

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A physical barrier is a deterrent. Laws and language will always be argued, altered, or loosely followed. That's why intangible solutions are futile. Something of physical substance is needed. I don't trust language to solve the problem.

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I guess. But does it even address the real problem? I think the majority of illegals that are here were visa overstays and not illegal border crossings. The number of illegal border crossings is already at a multi-decade low.

Until the average American expresses an actual aversion for consuming illegal labor, I predict nothing will ever be meaningfully addressed. This goes for the limousine libs in New York paying their Guatemalan nanny under the table. And it goes for the good ol' baw paying Home Depot Mexicans to help him with odd jobs.

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So what's the fix?

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There's no single fix, rather multiple things need to happen.

Personally I think the wall should be the last part, but being a physical barrier it's the easiest thing to do (let this wrangling be a warning of how difficult it will be to do the others) as opposed to the legislative portions.

The 13th Amendment needs to be repealed and replaced with an Amendment that defines a "natural born citizen" as "one with at least one biological parent who is a US citizen at the time of the child's birth".

There needs to be more raids at known hotspots for employing illegals. Ideally this would start in the north and work its way down to push those fleeing from such raids back across the border.

Those employers need the shite fined out of them as do those that knowingly harbor illegals.

A complete ban on access to welfare programs (including education and health) for illegals.

After that would be the time to build a wall, if it was even needed by then. It's all about incentives vs disincentives and building the wall before incentives are cut would act as an incentive (people deciding to go ahead and try while there are still wall-less areas to go through rather than wait until it's more difficult once the wall is up).

As mentioned above though, it seems building the wall will be the easiest aspect because it's just the building of a physical barrier and not some sort of legislative process (other than the funding, which can possibly be out-maneuvered with an Emergency declaration).

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The healthcare costs alone are astronomical. These are expenses that we flat out should NOT be incurring because these are not our citizens. They pay few taxes, and do not contribute in any meaningful way. They take exorbitantly more than they give, and we already have enough of that going on in America.

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Powerdouche incoming.