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re: I’m torn on abortion
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:47 pm to Chancellor
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:47 pm to Chancellor
It's part of the woman's body so the woman gets to choose what to do with it.
I never liked the idea of other people trying to force their morals onto others.
"Yeah I don't believe in abortion so you're gonna have to carry that baby for 9 months and deliver it."
"What happens next? Not my responsibility."
I never liked the idea of other people trying to force their morals onto others.
"Yeah I don't believe in abortion so you're gonna have to carry that baby for 9 months and deliver it."
"What happens next? Not my responsibility."
This post was edited on 8/5/18 at 1:49 pm
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:48 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Do you think a woman should be forced to give birth if she doesn't want to when there is a law stating she does not have to?
Explain please.
Explain please.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:49 pm to TigerBait1971
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You should want the undesirable part of society to make themselves better so they aren't undesirable...
How are they going to do that when they have the responsibility of a baby at 18?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:53 pm to BurningHeart
Actually, it’s in the woman’s body, not merely a part of her own body (like her kidneys, for example). In other words, it’s a another life separate from her own.
Nonetheless, I’m not arguing against your position in this thread. Some people (you among them) believe murder (and murdering babies, specifically) is socially and morally acceptable and ok. I’m not here to debate that. From experience, I know that reason didn’t enter into your conclusion (I noticed that you edited your post to include that you’ve never been a fan of forcing ones morals onto another, but I feel certain you’re not an anarchist and you don’t believe that laws against murdering you or your family or stealing your property should be taken off the books- in which case you are perfectly happy and content to force your morals onto others) and reason won’t cause you to conclude otherwise, so is not an endeavor I care to pursue.
The original poster asked how to reconcile two diametrically-opposed thoughts. That’s the issue to which I am responding.
Nonetheless, I’m not arguing against your position in this thread. Some people (you among them) believe murder (and murdering babies, specifically) is socially and morally acceptable and ok. I’m not here to debate that. From experience, I know that reason didn’t enter into your conclusion (I noticed that you edited your post to include that you’ve never been a fan of forcing ones morals onto another, but I feel certain you’re not an anarchist and you don’t believe that laws against murdering you or your family or stealing your property should be taken off the books- in which case you are perfectly happy and content to force your morals onto others) and reason won’t cause you to conclude otherwise, so is not an endeavor I care to pursue.
The original poster asked how to reconcile two diametrically-opposed thoughts. That’s the issue to which I am responding.
This post was edited on 8/5/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:55 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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However, it seems to me that abortion is keeping down the amount of children born to folks who are more on the undesirable side of society. Decent and/or intelligent folks are already being outpaced in the birthrate game, so we need all the help we can get maintaining the balance.
Do you believe that these people on the undesirable side of society deserve to be murdered after they are born? If not, why is it ok to murder them before they are born? Because their irresponsible mother and irresponsible father want them murdered?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:55 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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How do I square these 2 beliefs?
If you were a psychopath without morality, you’d get a pass.
But you claim spirituality and morality.
Therefore, you must choose good or evil.
Hint: a non-choice, that allows evil an unfettered existence, is evil.
Hint 2: choosing the murder of what one labels as undesirables is identical to rounding up ghetto dwellers and murdering them.
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Decent and/or intelligent folks are already being outpaced in the birthrate game, so we need all the help we can get maintaining the balance.
Step one, learn to be decent by opposing what you know to be spiritually and morally evil despite the perceived personal gain.
If you can legally steal anything you desire, you are the wealthiest man and biggest thief on the planet. If you can legally take any woman you sexually desire, you are still a rapist.
Good is usually hard, and evil is always wonderful. Until both are not!
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:57 pm to Chancellor
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The original poster asked how to reconcile two diametrically-opposed thoughts. That’s the issue to which I am responding.
I fall into a similar boat.
I'm pro-choice but don't like thinking about the process of abortion... but I know it's a necessity.
Not everything in the world can be made perfect.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 1:58 pm to TheHarahanian
quote:When I read the subject line, I fully expected this language to be in the OP.quote:You’re not alone. The fetuses are torn up over it too.
I’m torn on abortion
Predictable rhetoric is predictable.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:00 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Well, except that it is actually specicfically-excluded from every murder statute in the nation. Other than that, you are absolutely correct.
I have an issue with it because by definition its murder.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:01 pm to AggieHank86
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Well, except that it is actually specicfically-excluded from every murder statute in the nation. Other than that, you are absolutely correct.
Good thing an individuals views don't have to comport with the collective senility of our country's legislators and bureaucrats.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:02 pm to troyt37
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Do you believe that these people on the undesirable side of society deserve to be murdered after they are born?
I believe undesirables (takers) are a scourge to society, but I don’t know how we go about controlling them.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:02 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I don't know if I can really have position when I can't comprehend the mind of a woman wanting to kill her own fetus. It's like trying to understand a serial killer.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:03 pm to mahdragonz
If the woman didn't want to get pregnant, she should taken precautions to prevent pregnancy. It's as simple as that.
To not take precautions, is to treat abortion as a means of convenience.
When murder becomes a means of convenience, we have started down a path where human life is worthless.
To not take precautions, is to treat abortion as a means of convenience.
When murder becomes a means of convenience, we have started down a path where human life is worthless.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:04 pm to Chancellor
quote:No, it means he does not like abortion, but feels no need to stick his nose into someone else’s business.
No, you can’t.
You just stated that your position is that you are against murder... unless someone chooses to murder. Yeah.
Again, either murder is wrong or it’s not. Pick a side.
Imagine that.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:05 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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How do I square these 2 beliefs?
Well, you can take the Camille Paglia approach. 'Sure it's killing. But we kill people all the time.'
She has a point.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:05 pm to mauser
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I don't know if I can really have position when I can't comprehend the mind of a woman wanting to kill her own fetus. It's like trying to understand a serial killer
You've ever seen a woman that went through an abortion?
It's often the most emotionally distressing decision they make in their lifetimes.
It's not for enjoyment like a "serial killer"
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:08 pm to AggieHank86
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Well, except that it is actually specifically-excluded from every murder statute in the nation.
But isn't it odd that a pregnant woman's death often results in a charge of a double murder.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:09 pm to Perfect Circle
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But isn't it odd that a pregnant woman's death often results in a charge of a double murder.
See how this works?
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It's part of the woman's body so the woman gets to choose what to do with it.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:10 pm to BurningHeart
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It's part of the woman's body so the woman gets to choose what to do with it.
Sorry, but science says you're wrong.
If it was a part of her body, like a wart or some other growth to be removed, it would have the mother's DNA profile.
It does not. From the moment the egg is fertilized, a completely unique DNA signature is created. That means it is NOT a part or HER body. It is it's own body, though it is attached to the mother.
BTW, have you ever wondered why abortion is an issue but wart removal, tattooing, and any kind of surgery or any other procedure a woman needs or chooses to have on HER body is not an issue?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 2:11 pm to Eli Goldfinger
i think abortion is wrong.
i also think that it's good for people who want abortions to have abortions.
we don't need anymore no account having liberal pieces of shite running around the country.
i wish the parents of people who have abortions would've done the same thing.
i also think that it's good for people who want abortions to have abortions.
we don't need anymore no account having liberal pieces of shite running around the country.
i wish the parents of people who have abortions would've done the same thing.
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