re: I'm not sure I like Scott Bessent's messaging here

Libs are gonna lib….the lack context to benefit their argument. Same ole song and dance. It is unfortunate an American died. BUT he died due to his own poor choices that day.

What an ignorant argument, stupid argument.

Concealed carry does not give you the right to fight with ICE with no repercussions.

Not different that freedom of speech gives you the right to block highways.

What an ignorant statement.

Some people need to actually study civics and stay off the view.

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I'm not sure I like Scott Bessent's messaging here

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do not arm yourself and bring 3 spare mags to a peaceful protest. He was antagonizing and interfering with law enfoncement activity. He wanted (he thought he wanted) confrontation and he got just that, a confrontation with law enforcement. He didnt have the stones to go to the whip and I guess he thought he could call a timeout.

I think its terrible this guy had to get shot and even worse that he died, but he brought this onto himself. The leadership of Minnesoda (walz, frey and ellison, ohmar, etc.) wanted to fan the flames and encourage this chaos, they share the blame. Ultimately, this dude and the woman who tried to run over the cop two weeks ago would still be alive if they were not trying to confront, antagonize and impede cops trying to do their jobs.

I know the Bundy Ranch Standoff was quite some time ago, but - what were the takes on this board when that happened? Did people support all those that showed up to protest, while armed?

A lot of what I'm seeing so far is the same as, "I support the second amendment, but...", which is always a sign that someone does not actually support the second amendment.

The Constitution did not give special rights to law enforcement, over and above the people, with regard to keeping and bearing arms.

Either this shoot was justified or not, and the presence of the weapon does not bear upon that determination. His conduct is what determines the justification. You can be peaceful with a weapon on your hip. You can interfere with it on your hip yet not be violent or posing risk of grave bodily harm. If he did not pose a threat of grave bodily harm, then this shoot was unjustified. If he did, he met a tragic end of his own doing. His conduct is the issue, not the mere presence of a weapon.

Be careful what you advocate for in this situation. If a citizen, even a rabid leftist, becomes fair game simply because they object or even interfere with LE activity, while in possession of a firearm - a right guaranteed to us in our Constitution and Bill of Rights - it will be used against the Right and everyone else in this nation, and we all know the Democrats will weaponize this when they get back into power. Be very careful about the position you adopt here. The next time the left takes control, a person like Keith Ellison will be the USAG or DHS Secretary, and Republicans will put up zero resistance to that because all of them will be protected and insulated from the consequences of their votes. Keep that in mind.

You are correct on the troubling messaging. Much tougher to put the genie back in the bottle.

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arm yourself

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This is not a problem at all.

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bring 3 spare mags

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Nor is this.

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antagonizing and interfering with law enforcement activity.

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This right here be the problem.

I can carry my gun and however many spare mags I want to anywhere they are legally allowed. That's my right. I'm just not stupid enough to go Frick around with law enforcement while doing so.

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apparently attempt to use said weapon you brought.

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Video from every angle and absolutely no attempt by the guy to use his gun. None. Did not happen.

Why do leftards need to carry guns to a protest

I get your point and I mostly agree with it. I'm an absolutist when it comes to the 2A. But every time I've ever interacted with police and I had a firearm on me I made for damn sure they were made cool with it by complying calmly and in a friendly manner to whatever they're telling me to do. If you're the guy at the riot running around with a weapon, YOU are going to get more attention from the guys with the guns and helmets because you are obviously more of a direct threat. That's just the reality of the situation. You get into a fight with them, you're probably about to get shot.

So while you should be able to do it, and if you want to, I don't blame you, but understand the consequences of FA are now much more severe than they were before you went to the riot with a gun displayed.