re: I’m not interested in conceding. Desantis is great, but Trump 2024.

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Still melting

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DeSantis will do better than a wildly spending Trump

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Is this a guarantee? Or how do you know this?

You're 22. You don't know your a-hole from a hole in the ground.

Trump didn’t create MAGA. MAGA is what conservatives have wanted for 20 years. Control immigration, energy independence, cut stupid regulations that impede US interests, take America First positions, support the military and give the middle finger to China and the Media. We just haven’t had a Pub politician willing to bite off on this with force as they’re all scared of their own shadows.

What Trump DID do was recognize this, brand it and execute on these initiatives once elected…in about the most ham fisted way possible. But he did it.

It’s the agenda you want …the instrument is secondary.

Here's one thing we old farts have figured out that you young pups haven't: Never tie yourself so strongly to public figures. They are human and will disappoint you.

Look, I voted for Trump twice. I'd do so again, if he wins the nomination. But the American public, as a rule, has a short attention span and is hugely fickle. By the time '24 rolls around, they are going to want some new blood, a fresh face that hasn't been so tainted with negativity.

Like it or not, the media has successfully branded Trump with all kinds of BS. You know, and I know, it's mostly bunk, but he doesn't help himself when he goes after people on SM. It's his biggest fault. I was a huge Cruz supporter, and think he would have been brilliant in the Oval office. But he's in the same boat as Trump. There is NO WAY he could ever get elected after the number the press and social media has smeared him.

If we really want change, we as conservatives have to recognize that our fight is not just with the progressive left, but with Big Tech and a leftist media. People on forums such as this are only a small sample of voters; I'd venture that most folks don't really pay attention. Hell, most voters wouldn't be able to tell you who the Secretary of State is. Knowing that, we have to act accordingly in how we approach elections and choose a GOOD candidate who isn't such a big target.

You're being down voted by types who still are not willing to accept the overall gutlessness of the leaders in their party.

Who still believe that Barr and his gang of stonewalling, tip-toeing malingerers are going to eventually bring the collaborators in at least 5 countries involved in the worst scandal of the century -until 2020 - to full justice.

Who are determined to place all this pollyanna hope and faith in a politician who has not proven he's anything other than a regional, southern candidate who could carry states, e.g., Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania over someone who has proven he can.

Who did it in 2016 and again in 2020. Only in 2020 there were "extenuating" circumstances.

Now they categorize gruffness as "baggage."

There's little to nothing the Repubs are doing to prevent our descendants from one day waking up and realizing they are "strangers in their own land," with nowhere else to run, which is unforgivable .

They've given us enough indications that they'd prefer to wait until the nation is irretrievable.

That if they wait long enough, this marxian push and generational slouch will eventually ebb and go away conveniently.

While they play the game according to Marquess of Queensberry rules to keep up that image of genteelness and polish while the Left stoops to any level to win.

Now there are questions about what is going on up there in New Jersey.

Also, there's more to this trial in Kenosha than most of them would care to admit publicly.

Not naive at all. I'm aware that whomever wins the R nomination will be subject to the same mudslinging Trump endured. But it might be an easier path to the White House if he doesn't operate from behind the 8 ball from the beginning.

It's possible that Trump could win a 'second' term (I believe he already did that), but I don't believe we've ever elected a president to two non-consecutive terms. It would be an uphill fight.

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I will add that in my time on earth we had price controls on just about everything except healthcare. Oil and natural gas price capped at the wellhead. Steel, minimum price fixed at the mill. Airlines, minimum price fixed for fares.

The 50's and 60's economy was artificial AF. We got the gas lines and shortages in the 70's as a result. Oil companies could NOT afford to explore and drill while to even breakeven. Families had one car unless wealthy. You had to be on expense account or upper middle class to fly.

Government controlled more than it controls now. For the ignorant out there, GHWB was a leader in getting government out of price controls but it almost two decades for his efforts among others to be successful. As a result of that effort, leaders among indie oil companies in Texas switched to the GOP because the Dems refused to meet with them, GOP at least met with them. That is why Texas gradually flipped to the GOP over 3 decades.

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Trump is our historical middle finger to the world.

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That “frick everything” outlook is why no one will take you seriously.

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Trump was in for 4 years and didn't do half the shite he should have. He wasted most of his time focusing on what the media says about him.

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You are retarded.

Paul Ryan never lifted a finger for him.

It's hard to get things done when you are fighting Democrats and the pussy establishment of the Republican Party.