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Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:35 am to Vacherie Saint
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You are conflating local maids and orange pickers with an entire industry, as if its run by some republican fat cat somewhere. LOL. A large hotel chain like Hilton, or a farming corporation like US Sugars, use temporary visa programs for their workers. Only middle eastern motel owners and small time dirt farms pay cash to illegals.
Either way, I said MNC's. And I happen to know a little about agriculture and manufacturing. Some farmer who shun the H2A program (barely any left, BTW) is NOT reflective of US agriculture as a whole. And there simply are no major US manufacturers actively seeking and employing illegals under table. This is a myth.
As for the links you posted... dems have been trying to convince us for years that we cant eat without illegals. Congrats. You fell for it.
I'm not conflating anything. You can dismiss the information in the links that I provided as democratic party propaganda, but you'll only do that if you're not discerning enough to consider the underlying sources for that information.
Is the Cato Institute part of the "dem" propaganda machine? They're more than capable of differentiating between the hiring of illegal workers and the legal hiring of foreign guest workers under the H-2A program.
Congress created the H-2A program in 1986. In March 2020, the Cato Institute said this:
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illegal immigrant workers came to dominate the industry in the 1990s, and the H-2A program was rarely used. While it still [currently] supplies only about 10 percent of farm labor
We can go industry by industry if you'd like. I can quote notorious democratic party propagandists such as the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:40 am to Vacherie Saint
A newer one from 2019:
https://www.compareremit.com/money-transfer-guide/top-five-countries-that-benefit-most-from-remittance/
2020
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/global-remittance-flows/
https://www.compareremit.com/money-transfer-guide/top-five-countries-that-benefit-most-from-remittance/
2020
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/global-remittance-flows/
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:50 am to the808bass
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Yep.
Tax wire transfers at 10% to any country south of Texas.
Not just south of Texas. Tax any out of the country wire transfer.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:54 am to Pecker
YOU said that "big business republicans" love them some illegals. You are wrong. A small dairy farm in Wisconsin employing 10-15 illegals and paying them cash has NOTHING to do with big corporations or the dairy industry as a whole. You think a company like ConAgra is employing illegals? LOL. A big corporation lead by a big republican donor does not equal an entire industry.
No one is denying that illegals work on farms and in hotels. They are NOT working for "big business republicans".
No one is denying that illegals work on farms and in hotels. They are NOT working for "big business republicans".
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:04 am to Vacherie Saint
Some of the ones that work in the industrial yards in south Louisiana are making over 1k a week. On paper, they are legal via a stolen/fake ID. They can also claim federal tax returns under their real name using the stolen/fake IDs information.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:08 am to Vacherie Saint
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No one is denying that illegals work on farms and in hotels. They are NOT working for "big business republicans".
They are taking over jobs in many large companies and leaving many Americans unemployed. 2 examples:
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:08 am to trinidadtiger
Something odd about the pics of these poor immigrants. You would think that the press would choose to photograph the most desperate looking people. All the pics of adults I've seen are obese. Wherever they came from they had lots of food.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:10 am to Aristo
Back in my banking days, we used to see a ton of these. By law, employers either have to fill out an I9 or go through e-verify to validate citizenship so a fake ID only gets you so far.
Most farmers are just getting the H2A visa. It only costs a few hundred bucks and takes about 90 days to process. Well worth the headache.
Most farmers are just getting the H2A visa. It only costs a few hundred bucks and takes about 90 days to process. Well worth the headache.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:12 am to Ailsa
Sorry bro but "immigrants" do not equal "illegal immigrants".
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:31 am to Vacherie Saint
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YOU said that "big business republicans" love them some illegals. You are wrong. A small dairy farm in Wisconsin employing 10-15 illegals and paying them cash has NOTHING to do with big corporations or the dairy industry as a whole. You think a company like ConAgra is employing illegals? LOL. A big corporation lead by a big republican donor does not equal an entire industry.
No one is denying that illegals work on farms and in hotels. They are NOT working for "big business republicans".
Let's stick to one industry at a time to reduce the risk of conflating certain arguments.
You have now twice stated that large corporations in agriculture don't hire illegal immigrants. You claimed that they use the H-2A program. Considering that only 10% of farm labor was hired under the H-2A program, and that illegal immigration dominates the industry, who exactly do you think is hiring all the illegal immigrants in agriculture?
I'll repeat this in case you missed it the first time. In March 2020, the Cato Institute said this:
quote:You also stated that the information is sourced from the "dem" party. Then I provided information supporting my claims from one of the most well known Republican think tanks - The Cato Institute. You're wrong on that as well.
illegal immigrant workers came to dominate the industry in the 1990s, and the H-2A program was rarely used. While it still [currently] supplies only about 10 percent of farm labor
You're also claiming that the agricultural industry is not replete with large republican donors.
March 2013, The Washington Post:
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This week, House Republicans passed a rather unusual farm bill. There was no money for food stamps for the poor, a program that typically makes up the bulk of these bills. But the House did manage to pass billions in subsidies for farmers and agribusinesses.
Instead, House Republicans decided to focus solely on passing a package of subsidies for farmers and agribusinesses worth about $195 billion over the next 10 years
This raises a question: Why are lawmakers so willing to vote for farm subsidies — even lawmakers who usually oppose government spending?
In regard to the passing of that bill, Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute wrote:
quote:In case you don't understand what "well-heeled" means: it means wealthy. So again, a conservative think tank is suggesting the very thing that I'm suggesting: The GOP - who has historically opposed government subsidies and spending - is, with few exceptions, more than happy to spend big on subsidizing the agricultural industry. An industry dominated by a few large corporations. They are doing so because these corporations and their owners are "well-heeled." And these "well-heeled" corporations are more than happy to reciprocate.
“Republicans demonstrated that they are just fine with bloated welfare programs as long as those welfare payments go to well-heeled special interests"
These same corporations hire large numbers of illegal immigrants. It's in their interest to continue the ample supply of their labor pool.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 3:17 pm to Ailsa
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This is how the Indians and the Pakistanis and many others do it. Their person in the USA goes to the backroom of a store or even house in their neighborhood they control, and they hand over the money to send away. Back in their home country, they answer the phone and get the details and take their cut, and then someone from the family of the guy in the USA arrives and collects it.
Aisla, you have done your homework, here in Trinidad this is exactly how all the Venezuelans here send money back home, they laugh about the rates Western Union charges.
Thats why the numbers early in the thread about wire transfers are smaller compared to the one later in the thread from 2019 (they are estimating this backdoor transfer of funds).
Taxing it would help some but a value added tax would capture all of these illegals, they all have to eat, fuel, and cloth themselves. Course we would keep income tax, sales tax, and add a VAT tax.
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